Vandy or Maggy?


What would sound better in a medium sized room with Symphonic
Music, current model Vandy 2's or Maggy 1,7's?
I have a AVA Synergy 450 Amp which has tuneful base and can drive either well.
I've owned Maggy 1.4's , my knock on them was they were not very dynamic and didn't portray depth well, but it was easy to follow the various lines and instruments.
I've heard Vandys but not much and was a long time ago.
Any and all ideas much appreciated !
schubert

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Thanks Map.I've owned 4 sets of Maggies, I'm a master of Maggy set-up if I do say so myself .
Maggies failure in Classical, IMHO, is the lack of dynamic range.
I use Totem Dreamcatchers in my bedroom system, on a whim i took them out today to the 20x17 room i use for serious and almost fainted at how those little 4" woofs with their 6" sub filled that space with the glorious sound of Mozart's Haffner
Symphony .
I've had decent monitors in there before but they never did
what these Totems do, if it still sounds this good a week from
now I might not have to take my dog sled to the Twin Cities !
Hodn, my Preludes reside in my TV system which feeds them with the 40 odd digital music channels available.
Thanks Rotarius, I'll listen for that when I go to the Vandy dealer(also Maggie dealer) in Minneapolis.
Soon as the two feet of snow melts.
Map. I always use a tube pre for SS and vice-versa.
Maggies have always been hard on tube amps I've owned .
Thanks Douglas, I 'll look into them.

Mapman, I still have a pr of Triangle Titus 202, which was a class B stereophile speaker, that I used to use on my TV system.
I've tried them in my "serious" room but they were nowhere near as good as the Totem Dreamcatchers even though they are larger.
The Totems might not have many cubic inches but they have one hell of a supercharger !
Tonyjack, If I had enough money for a Tannoy Edinburg SET 300 system I wouldn't be asking any questions.
Ctspooner , " proper speed ,pitch and tonality sounds like great description of "tunefull" bass to me.

Martykl. that sounds like a great idea with the MMG's, I thought of it myself but didn't think dynamics would change much.
Only problem is I use expensive(for me) MIT speaker cables and I'd have to get another pair to go from subs to speakers, correct?
I've never heard 2 subs connected through speaker connections.
The Dreamcatchers are so good I'm buying a pair of Totem 1 Signature standmounters which just may do me.
Thanks all !
Well I know i'm not buying anything with China made drivers
like my my old standby brands such as KEF or PSB etc etc no matter how great the "reviews" are. And its not a matter of patrotism either.

Totem and Dyna both use Euro drivers.Only Dyna I ever owned was an Audience 42 which was musical.
Totem seems at a price advantage with the Canadian dollar at 95 cents vs the Euro pushing $1.40 .
Brownsfan, pretty much have the Sigs dialed in,7 ft apart with me 7.5 ft away in a 20x17 room with plaster walls, ,highly insulated with soundboards in walls, 2 of same in ceiling. Sadly, there are two open arches to the next room at either end of long wall which makes who know what a space out of it.
Toe-in is critical with these pups at that range, dialed in they are like a Zeiss lens , sound for all the world like a single-driver, as well-integrated as speakers get.
Driven by Bryston BP-6 and AVA Synergy 450 . don't use my tube pre's for evaluation as IMO tubes are too much of a variable.
First speaker I've heard that didn't care for my MIT CVT-2 or Analysis oval 12 bi-wires, both of which sounded good on Acoustic Zen Crescendo's which I had in this space for a month. Tells me the crossover in Sigs must be a work of art.I don't have many biwire cables, but my Morrow SP-4 does well, with Kimber 4TC not bad either. My hunch is audience 24e might be the ticket. Too bad I'm just a retired HS teacher.
My usual suspects for evaluation.
Janacek- Glagolitic Mass-Gewandhaus-Masur w/great Prague Radio Choir. Live Recording on Phillips.
Berlioz-Harold in Italie-Colin Davis-LSO
Kodaly-Starker on Delos, Unaccompanined Sonata Cello OP 8.
Most realistic recording I've ever heard .
Respigi-Ancient Airs and Dances-Dorati Philharmonia
Hungarica on Mercury Living Prescence

The savage Janacek has everything on it a band can do, plus choir ,5 soloists incl. the incomprable Theo Adam and the great Czech Soprano V. Hruba.Not to mention organ.
The beyond compare bass section of the Gewandhaus drove the piece forward like a mighty locomotive, the acoustic of the Gewandhaus itself, for me the alpha and omega of halls, was caught very well by the Sigs. With closed eyes very nearly there.Only thing Sigs were not quite up to was the 3 pedal tymps towards the end.All in all a 9 out of ten.
Esp.notable was the way the rhythmic pace of both this piece and the Gewandhaus band itself was reproduced.
Also, audience clapping was very realistic which it is not on most speakers.

The Berlioz I use because it has the most delicate pianissimos of any piece I know of,not to mention it's a great viola piece.
Here the Sigs showed their achilles heel, the VERY f parts required a volume setting that made the fff way too loud.
But, not many standmounts could accomplish this in a room this size and the Berlioz is an extreme example.
To get all the Sigs are capable of I suspect I'd have to move my system to the 2nd 15x12 bedroom I use as a TV room.
A Sony ES receiver driving Rega R1's now reigns there.

The Kodaly is perhaps the best cello sonata since Bach and the Delos recording is magnificent.
Starker was in the room playing for me, end of story.

The Respighi has very natural string tone which the Sigs showed off to great effect.

All in all, the Sigs have outstanding spatial qualities,
coherence, tonality and rhythm, real toe-tappers !
Near perfect for Baroque and Classical Orch.,voice, chamber music, can be caught out some by larger romantic pieces.
All I have to do now is haul out my old Sony changer and run Schubert Lieder through them for a few hundred hours to
erase any bad karma residue in the event previous owner played rock or Wagner on them !
The key to standmounts is a sub , not to get deeper bass, but to even up room bass response.
I've heard 3a's quite a bit, Totems are better but , as you say, need lots of SS power, my AVA 450 is feeding about 400 a side into those 4 ohm pups, they are leaner with my Odyssey Stratos backup amp, wouldn't even try my 60 watt 6550 .

People who use tubes never went to the store in the 50's and bought a bunch of glorious NEW
RCA 12AX7 for $1.99 and took them home to blossom in their PAS -3, much less those 4 buck Telefunken or Mullards.
Old tubes are just that, OLD, and the Russian and Sino stuff is junk.
That said, I have 3 ten wattish tube integrateds and My Response Audio Bella Extreme 6550.
I find the best for whole house exorcism to be the DG Harnacourt DVD of the St Johns .
Anything by Musica Antiqua Koln is fine for average room.