Vandersteens and subwoofers other than the 2Wq?

Sek, why do you think that a phase correct first order filter would cause the problems you atribute to the 2Wq? I am stumped! And I also don't understand the placement issues you have with the 2Wq. No woofer works well if it can't be "optimally situated". I get the feeling you never listened to one in your system. By the way why would anyone want a woofer to be able to play louder than the Vandersteen? I would invite you to do a bit more research on the 2Wq. Their are as Sdcampbell says lots of good posts out there on this topic.

Judit, the bass congestion you refer to is in my opinion a room/placement issue and not an inherent quality of the speakers. Yes this is a tricky area to get right in most rooms, but with some effort can be worked out. Yes the woofer does make it much easyer to get it right, as the woofer can go where it needs to and the mains can be placed for their best performance. Do you now own or have you owned the 2's? I tend to agree with MOST of the rest of your post.

Matchstickman,(and Sek for that matter) go to the Vandersteen site and read the article listed under the link for indipendant reviews. Open the link for the 2W then find the Audio Perfectionist Journal article. It will expalin very well the benifits of the Vandersteen unit. I will highlight some here. First the 6db per octave phase correct x-over and second the fact that with the Vandersteen you get the true benifit of Bi-amping. Read it. This guy knows what he is talking about!

Sek, I just found it dificult to understand the statement about the first order crossover not allowing the woofer to make a seamless transition. It was from that statement that I made the assumption that you had not tried it in your system before making this judgment.I supose that if you had qualified your statement a bit more it would have made it more useful to Matchstickman. I only hope to clarify the information so as not to confuse the author of this thread and would like to thank you for what you have added in order to do the same.

I do usderstand that some rooms are less than ideal places for a music system and we all need to do the best we can with what we have. I am happy that you have found a suitable solution in your given situation. I just thought that some clarification was in order, as that was sort of a blanket statement, and as you know I tend to question statements of that nature. The impression you gave was that one of the outstanding features of the 2W woofers, the crossover design, was in fact a hinderance to it's performance. I do DISAGREE strongly with that! Hence my questioning of your direct experience with the unit.I do this only because it directly conflicts with my own findings on this topic and I do feel strongly that it would be difficult to find a better choice than the 2Wq for a system with Vandersteens as the main speakers, at least in a music(read,not home theater)system. Sek,please try not to take it as a personal attack, as it is not intended in that way.I have people question what I say here all the time. It is the nature of the forum. No one has to beleive a word I say here. It does not affect the sound of MY system if they don't like what I say. Which by the way is better than ever!

I am confident that both Bigtee and Sdcampell will agree with me that when the circumstances allow for proper set up that the woofer calls NO attention to itself. My mains/sub integration is nearly flawless after what I admit was some considerable but very worthwhile work in this area(with some help, consultation, and advice from both of the Agon members I mentioned). Thanks guys!

Sek, how does he acomplish this cross at 75Hz? Perhaps you mean he has 75K fixed X-2 filters(their is no 75K setting on the switchable unit that comes with the woofer).

Bigtee and Scott, I have a question my self. It is my understanding that the low pass portion of the X-0ver built into the 2W's is fixed at 80 cycles, and that the feed forward correction does nothing to compensate for input impedance variations and theirfore lowered or raised High pass starting points. i.e. a 75K fixed filter into a 100K amp gives a high pass value at roughly 63Hz and thus an overlap of frequencies being produced by the woofer with its low pass x-over point at 80HZ. Or is their some mechanism that I am unaware of built into "Dick's" feed forward correction set up to compensate for this?