Vandersteen 3A Sigs vs Klipsch Forte III


I'd like to get input on a comparison of both of these speakers. I have not heard them. No dealers in my area. I realize it may be an apples to oranges match up to many but want to hear the pros and cons of both. Haters welcome!!  I'll be driving them with a Mac 6200 integrated. 75w into 8 ohms and 100w into 4 ohms. Room is 27x18x10h. I listen to all music. Some vinyl. Appreciate moderate base, clarity in vocals, imaging, and like the speakers to "disappear".  Thoughts?
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Wow - this is a difficult comparison!

I just purchased a pair of Vandie 3A Sigs from a fellow member here a couple of weeks ago.  While I have not heard the Cornwalls nor any other Klipsch model in quite some time, I have to assume that their design philosophy and engineering have not gone into any sort of radical departure since I owned a pair of Epic CF-3’s and a pair of KG4’s.  Highly efficient, horn loaded compression tweeters...

The Cornwalls have an efficiency rating of 102db, the Vandies are 87db.  The Vandies go down to 26hz, the Klipsch 34hz. You could pretty much drive the Cornwalls with a table radio, the Vandies...need a little more power on tap. Your amp @100 watts per channel is sufficient for either methinks, but will probably be less stressed with the Cornwalls if you listen at high levels.  I don’t.  While my choice of amps has usually been around 150 watts for the past few years, that’s more because I found them affordable at a particular moment in time as opposed to me needing more power to drive a particular pair of speakers. 

Anyway...

It’s an educated guess on my part that the Cornwalls will definitely sound “brighter” than the Vandies simply due to the tweeters. Methinks they will also be “punchier” throughout. Having moved through Thiel and Magnepan models over the last few years - both reputed by many to be “bright” speakers - I can offer that the Vandies definitely are more reserved in the highs.  

The Vandies do require bi-wiring and have smaller than the current standard size spade connects on the rear. I use anti-cables for them, which has an option spade to fit the 3A Sigs perfectly.  They’re not too expensive, either. There’s also a dial attenuator on the rear to tweak the treble response up or down if you find the flat setting too little or too much.  Also they come with very substantial, HEAVY metal stands. You can adjust their tilt ever so slightly as well once they’re attached. The stands are spiked so be careful of your flooring - assembled these puppies weigh about 90 pounds apiece. 

Pricewise, unless the inter-web is misleading me, has the Cornwall III’s around $2200 apiece new. The averaged price for the 3A Sigs, used, is around that for a pair according to the A’gon Bluebook. I picked my pair up for appreciably less than that somewhat locally, requiring an enjoyable four hour round trip to get ‘em. They’re no longer manufactured but can still be serviced by Vandersteen should the need arise.  I’m replacing the socks on mine which cost about $150.  The folks at Vandersteen replied to my inquiry about doing so quickly and eagerly, even thanking me for purchasing them used. Imagine that. 

I continue to think that Klipsch makes excellent speakers.  My reason for moving away was what I perceived to be the harsh treble response. Very recently I was thinking about returning to a lower power amp along with more efficient loudspeakers. I researched the Epic CF-3’s that I had around 22 years ago and found a pair advertised for $800 - the same price that I wound up selling them for around 15 years ago. 

Klipsch, Thiel, and Maggie fans are a rather unique collection of people accustomed to hearing widely varying opinions on everything about them.  I’m digging the Vandies because I found my Maggie 1.7i’s to prove bothersome simply due to their physicality. I had to rearrange too much to get them comfortable in my living room.  Love ‘em, BUT...






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I had a pair of Vandy 2-somethings a pretty good while ago so I was relatively sure these would be at least as good.  The Bluebook average is around $2200 and I paid $1500 for these - a good deal overall.  They’re replacing my Maggie 1.7i’s which I absolutely love, but once again the sheer physicality of these great speakers proves bothersome to me. 

The price and local pickup clinched the deal for me. Original owner, all the good stuff buyers look for on this site. I emailed Vandersteen to see if I could replace the socks and within a day I got a response.  I know they can still service them if need be, but I think they ceased production a while ago. 

I read with interest here the comment about deadening the tweeters on the Klipsch with damping material, but I wasn’t as into the audiophilia thing then as deep as I am now. Had I known...I might have kept the Epics. 

As my fave speaker brands may tell you, Thiel, Maggie, Klipsch, I prefer mid and treble resolution above bass.  My finickynesa with bass is BAD bass, too many speakers new and old are colored and false which sucks the life out of the music imho.  
Actually, I just dropped into the website and it appears that the 3A Sigs are still being manufactured. $4795 the pair. Lots of upgrade paths for owners of all the models, too.  

I assumed that treating the Klipsch tweeter with dampening material meant on the exterior of the horn. (although I once stuffed the horn with small wads of packing foam to tame them).  All that did was...obvious.

When I opened my EPIC CF-3’s once I was surprised to discover that all the internal wiring was run-of-the-mill speaker wire, perhaps 14 gauge. 

The native efficiency of Klipsch does offer a degree of practicality in terms of finding a suitable amplifier - meaning that one doesn’t necessarily need “gobs” of power on tap to make them show their stuff.  I used a Cayin A35T integrated amp with mine for a while and that was a “mere” 35 watts in triode, 16 watts ultralinear - which I preferred to use 90% of the time. 

Now, along with tube amplification, class D offers considerable price/value sonics for any brand of speaker out there.  
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i think your Mc integrated is definitely up to the task of providing sufficient power to enjoy the possibility of the Vandies, and it’s most definitely up to providing that and more with the higher efficiency Klipsch.  For a brief time I had the latest McIntosh receiver - 6700? - which was 200 watts per into 4/8ohms along with sufficient current. 

However, methinks you are best suited to the Klipsch choice simply because you won’t find yourself chasing different amps/higher power to get the Vandies to sound “right”.  And that’s a good thing.  
For the past few years I’ve been guilty of chasing the audio dragon in that vein much in part to moving off the Klipsch.  Thiel, Dynaudio, Magnepan...all and each lower efficiency than any Klipsch. B.  A. T., Pass Labs amps...the list is surprisingly long for a man of my means, and rather embarrassing to a certain degree.  

Just for the absolute hell of it I picked up a 5 watt per channel DIY version of a Pass Labs SS amp.  I think I’m gonna find a used pair of Klipsch and see if returning could be fun!