Van Alstine Trans 10RB vs. Freya Schiit. Which do you prefer and why??


Looks like they're in the same league, pricewise. But how about soundwise? Anyone have any experience with these two head to head or on their own?

Thanks.

SD



shtinkydog

Showing 8 responses by wout31

Hi SD,

Freya has remote include for the price, Transcendence is $ 299 extra
Freya has passive, JFET and tubes, Transcendence has tubes only
Freya is balanced and SE, Transcendence is only single ended.
Freya has stepped attenuator, Transcendence has pot
Freya is $ 200 cheaper, when you include the remote with the Transcendence it's even $ 500 cheaper

Looks a no brainer to me.
I'm still waiting for my Freya to be delivered. Ordered end december.
Expected to be delivered next week, but not sure yet.
Will let you know my impression.
It is going to replace my old Quad 44 pre-amp
This will be my 4th Schiit audio gear on top of Mani (phono pre-amp), Sys and Gungnir Multibit (Gumby) DAC. That last one will never go, or it must be replaced by a Yggdrasil (Yggy) from the same company.
And when Vidar will come available in several months that will probably be the next item to replace my Quad 520f
Update on compare.
Transcendence has headphone out. If you need this Freya is NOT your product, you should look at another Schiit product like Mjolnir 2 or Jotunheim for $ 399.
http://schiit.com/products/mjolnir-2
http://schiit.com/products/jotunheim
Or is you only need SE input and output see Saga for $ 349
http://schiit.com/products/saga

Freya has 5 inputs,2 balanced, 3 SE, Transcendence only has 4 SE
Freya has 1 balanced and 2 SE outputs, Transcendence only 2 SE outputs


The opening in the front panel on Freya is the receiver for the remote, not phones plug.
To compare you have to have both units present. That's very often a problem. So I can't make any quality sound character statement.
My compare was just on features. And YES I do like the Schiit products and even more their filosify about ridiculous HiFi pricing not related to the sound quality but only to bling bling. I love these guys and the products I own. That's why I ordered my Freya blind and recommend the brand.
News is there, my Freya will be in beginning of next week. :-) :-)

I will be testing with:
Qobuz (like Tidal) music player 16 bit 44.1 kHz files on my PC and Musicbee player for HiRes audio files
RME AIO soundcard Transformer separated SP-DIF out to
Schiit Gungnir MB DAC balanced out to
New Schiit Freya balanced out to
Quad 520f amplifier out to
Quad ESL 63 (definitely NO sub)
Nothing special in cables, just standard to standard+ audio cables.

I will be playing song like:
Norah Jones (difficult voice to reproduce well, especially multi tracks)
- Turn me on
- I’ve got to see you again
- How many times have you broken my heart
Lisa Simone - Child in me (even more difficult voice)
Stacey Kent (the most difficult voice)
- The boy next door
- I wish I we’re in love again.
Diana Krall many different tracks from different albums
Secaria Evora - Sodade
Curtis Stigers
Dean Martin
Frank Sinatra
Kovacs - 50 shades of black
Oscar Peterson trio - You look good to me
and many many more.

I listened to the newly arrived Freya today and I can only think of one word: WOW!!!!
This is not a little difference, this is not a difference, this is not a big difference. This is a HUGE difference.
I know my old unit the Quad 44 was dated, but it was designed by one of the audio wonders of the sixties to eighties, Peter Walker. But I have to say it is no match whatsoever  to the Schiit Freya.
The differences are everywhere. The high is more billiant, cymbals sound so brittle. And the decay times ........... The bass is so tight it surprises met with every new track I play.  I always thought bass was no fun to play as it was so monotone, now I hear all the nuances in acoustic as well as electric and electronic bass. And the midds are so laid back that I sometimes think I'm missing something. And I am, the (even little) harshness I had before is now totally gone. The voices are so intimate it's like you're having a private concert in your own living room. This pre-amp is a miracle to me.
This is my second Schiit device that will never leave my audio system unless it is replaced by something new Jason Stoddard en Mike Moffatt come up with in future. I adore these guys for what they are doing for the audio world. Thumbs up.
The comparison between the 3 stages, passive, JFET and tube are very difficult to distinct because of the gain difference between them. Output on passive is low, JFET is higher and tube is much higher. So it's not easy to make A-B compare in a track playing. You have to replay the track in every mode and try to find the right volume level to compare. Not easy in my opinion.
My first impression is that JFET is my favourite, has a little bit more punch over the passive mode. The tubes sound very impressive at first but it looks like they are a little more work for my ears and give earlier listening fatigue. But especially on old analogue recordings the performance in tube mode is just phenomenal as it gives that little more juice to the recording.
The sound stage overall is double the wide it was before. The instruments that used to swerve in the sound image before are put in place and never move. There is more depth in the image, more top and bottom.It's holographic and immensely realistic.
I realise now that I have never heard the Gumby to it's full potential before now.
The clicking of the stepped attenuator is nowhere to be heard in audio signal. Big difference to the Khozmo I tried so time ago. The clicking was over the speakers. You can sometimes hear that the first step is released before the next is engaged by a very short silence as I experience it. The clicking sound itself is no bother to me.
The most amazing track I played so far was St. James infirmary blues by Yo Yo Ma and the silk road ensemble from the Sing me home album. I saw in the Ted presentation of this performance that there were many instruments in the recording, now I can see them all with my eyes closed when I play the recording. Truly amazing.
So back to what started this conversation. I can't say anything about the Van Alstine Trans 10RB SD because I have never heard it, but I can say about the Schiit Freya that it rocks the world for me. At this price the Freya is a real bargain.On a scale of 10 I would give it 11-12.
Ghosthouse, I looked at the thread on  head-fi but I find it is not interesting at all because it is all about tubes tubes and more tubes. Tubes was interesting after the early release of the the transistor that at that stage was inferior to tubes.But now is 2016 guys, not 1976! Why don't they change over resistors, capacitors or other electronic parts? Easy because they can't and that's why all the talk is about changing tubes. Where the passive and JFET options is far more superior sound wise to the tube stage. The longer I play it, the more I prefer passive, as this is most neutral in sound. I prefer "the closest approach to the original sound". And with my Quad ESL 63 full range planars that is passive.