Upstream Bottlenecks, Experience, Opinions, Meitner Dac


Are there considerations regarding upstream components that may cause a bottleneck with the DA3? It has a streamer and reclocks. Yesterdays discussion on architecture was very helpful but are there other details, components that may need consideration fully realize the DA3 potential? PC to this DAC, Switch(s), ie Edison with built in LPS, LPS’s for Router, Modem, Additional clocking, Last leg Ethernet cable(8?), grounded? Lan filters. If all the upstream components could have impact, would the switch be the place to start? BTW, I have yet to purchase a new server, FWIW, now using highly modded Mac mini hard wired LPS. Thank you all, DaveH

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With all respect and due deference to @sns and his demonstrated expertise with optimizing the Mac Mini, the Mac Mini is far from an optimal solution as either a server or a streamer today. It was a wonderful solution 10 years ago which "sucked less" than other options at the time. But that shouldn't be your standard.

 

I used to be be where you are 5ish years ago. I bought a Nucleus Plus with ssd to replace the mac mini, which improved both the server and the usb output, which were both more quiet than Mac Mini. I then purchased an Innuos Zenith Mk3 which improved (and simplified) everything. Considerably. As a server, it was quieter than the Nucleus Plus (which was quieter than the mac mini) and very stable. In fact, other than software updates, it never required rebooting. As a renderer, it actually makes the Mac Mini seem quite primitive because of the improved usb output.

 

I have since sold the Innuos to make room for a next level server/streamer but there are many options out there that leave the Mac Mini behind and improve upon the Nucleus and other similar nuc's.

 

@sns I'm not sure I agree with your passing dismissal of "audiophile network switches". It would be great to know what you tried and in what context. I have recently experienced a switch (its hardly cost effective) which elevated everything about my musical presentation. Not by a little. In fact, it was kind of embarrassing how much of the music I wasn't hearing. The switch improved the musical presentation immensely. An ethernet filter improved it a great deal more upon the previous improvements.

 

You can get a lot of the way there for very little money but the last 10% gets very expensive. @bigwave1 there are so many wonderful, stable and no-longer-tweaky solutions available today. Go for simple, high quality solutions. While I recognize that many people enjoy three or four different "decrapifiers", converters, stacks of linear power supplies, etc, etc its just not necessary today if the goal is exceptional sound rather than a Rube Goldberg style mousetrap.

The MA3 to my ears sounds better through its internal streamer/renderer than it does being streamed/rendered TO via usb from a good streamer/renderer. Same ethernet chain.

@bigwave1 all you need to connect to the ma3 is an ethernet cable. You dont need the usb cable. It access file on your local network over ethernet.

One of things we have all learned over time is that cables, dongles, filters, switches, linear power supplies, switch mode power supplies, power conditioners, power cable, dedicated lines, etc etc etc...they ALL do something. Device A with cable B and power supply C, when combined, make an amazing difference. Device D with with dongle E, when combined, sound amazing. Then, like we all HAVE to try....we combine Devices A, B, C, D, E and presto! It sucks.

 

There is no substitute for trying and there is no guarantee that if one is good five are better. Try things, make notes, decide if you like it and then, if its worth it. From some of the photos I’ve seen of some systems, if you tell me my room has to look like some of those rooms to get 2% more performance, I will pass. The most important thing, have fun and enjoy your music.