I have Revel be228 dr8ven by orchard audio starkrimson ultra with a quad artera pre. I am using zen mini IV with lpsu and denefrips Pontus 2...I tried other days and the Denefrips opened the soundstage up and gave me the resolution I wanted. Ladder dac definately did the trick.
upgrade question regarding DAC and streamer
I want to improve my system's imaging after having carefully placed my speakers and done some room treatment to reduce reflections.
My system includes a McIntosh MA8950 integrated amplifier, Sonus faber Olympica Nova III speakers, a Silent Angel Bonn 8 network switch and its LPU, and an Innuos Zen Mini Mark III with its LPU. I use the Mini with its Sense app to stream Qobuz to the McIntosh's DA2 DAC.
I am considering a DAC+streamer such as the MSB Discrete (with render/streamer add-on, and its separate single LPU) and the dCS Lina (with built-in power supply). My budget is about 15K.
In the future, I will get a separate preamp and amp, perhaps using the MA8950 as the preamp for a while.
The dealer with whom I have a great relationship carries MSB, dCS, and Innuos (their Stream3 may also be a good option when it comes out). Of course, I will listen to the DAC+streamer options with the same/similar integrated amp and speakers at the dealer's.
For the purpose of improving imaging with my system/room/good speaker placement, does upgrading the DAC and streamer make sense, or should I upgrade to separates first? Or something else?
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I agree with others in this thread that stated this is a complex question and that sound quality, especially staging, imaging, and timbre (most important to me) is affected by system component synergy more so than an individual component. To me, upgrading a system is a process. I will outline the process I use.
Responding directly to your question, changing your digital front end can make an improvement in staging and imaging, but you need to be more specific in defining the improvement you wish to make. The attributes of staging include, without limitation; width, depth, presentation (forward or back stage) image focus, image size, image density, ambient bloom in the spaces between performers, ambient bloom into the venue. I will give you my impressions of some DACs you are considering. Remember, my impressions are based on my perception and my ears, so it is a subjective opinion. Your current Innuos DAC has exceptional staging and width, and good focus at its price point. Is presents a more backstage presentation that is light in density and airy. The DCS Lina will be an improvement in all sound quality attributes but will still be a further back presentation, light in density and airy. It will reproduce excellent between instrument and hall ambience and harmonic decay. The MSB is my favorite of the three that will have a up front presentation with dense and palpable images, as well as the between instrument and hall ambience. Others to consider include the Mola Mola Tambaqui, which to my ears is the timbre, dynamics, and soundstage champ, except for between instrument ambience retrieval where the DCS and MSB are better. The MM has an up front presentation (not to the liking of some but to my preference) with excellent width, depth, and focus. The ARC DAC9 excels at bloom (best of the bunch), ambient information retrieval, palpable image density, and stage width and depth. Each of these exceptional products have a distinctive sound pallet, so you need to read information on them and audition to determine which you like. The Nagra is pricy but also an exceptional DAC for the same reasons noted for the ARC. Improving your amplification will also help. Others have mentioned ARC and CJ tube designs, and Burmester (which I personally do not find dry but rather sweet and highly musical). Others to consider Audio Note (my favorite but above my means) and Gamut. All have their own sound pallet so in repeating myself, research, audition, and choose what brings you emotionally closer to the musical composition and performance. The only right or wrong is determined by your own ears. Good luck. |
@jrdavisphd I think others have given good advice--your streamer is not likely to be the problem. I would want to know what you're seeking when you say "imaging." More pinpoint focus, perhaps? I don't think real, live music sounds like that, but some audiophiles want that anyway. Are the images your system produces larger or smaller than the real instruments? Answers to those questions might yield more useful directions. I think speakers and the room contribute a lot to imaging. I'm not familiar with your speakers. If your room is too reflective or asymmetrical, that can screw up imaging and require room treatments or different speakers for improvement. |
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