Upgrade from my internal Primaluna phono stage... Audio Alchemy PPA-1? What else?


So I am currently using the built in phono stage in my Primaluna Dialogue Premium Integrated (along with an Audio Interface CTS-80 SUT). The other gear is a VPI Classic 2 w/ 3D arm, Dynavector DV20X w/ Soundsmith Ruby retip, Devore Gibbon Super 8s. Musical taste is all over the place but is generally 60's to 80's underground rock, soul/funk, jazz, reggae. Not really any Classical or much modern stuff.

The Primaluna phono stage is better than I thought it might be but not sure just how good as I haven't heard this amp with anything else. Can't really tell how far I need to go to get a noticeable improvement. Can't really spend more than $1k if that (really should be less), but am happy to buy used gear.

Anyone else have the Primaluna phono board and upgraded? How much better can I do for under $1k?
Been scanning the ads here and the other usual places and doing plenty of research but I just keep going in circles. Too many options and no clear winner. Hopefully you guys can help narrow things down with experience with some of the same particular gear I am using.

I like tubes but don't feel it is 100% necessary as I have tubes in the rest of the path. I like the idea of MC capable especially with loading options but I have a quality SUT so it is also not necessary. A small chassis is nice as space is limited but a full size component is ok if it isn't too tall. No space for some big Audio Research type piece of gear. I am in NYC and in a 100 year old house with some wacky wiring so a good power supply and noise rejection is a plus, too.

I am Intrigued by the Audio Alchemy PPA-1 since Audio Advisor has them on sale for $799 ($1795 MSRP) but there is surprisingly little info on them out there beyond a positive Michael Fremer review and some other passing mentions which are also all positive. Seems odd for something that appears to have been out for a couple years now. Anyone actually have one or at least heard it? What else should I be looking at?










delay1968

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Thanks for the reply. Good to hear. Wasn't able to find that review (think you need to buy a subscription) but I feel like real people reviews like yours are probably even more helpful.
Did you compare the ppa to any others when shopping? If so what did you feel it beat out?
I had a Primaluna PL2 with phono stage and I took it out and got a Hagerman Cornet II the III is now out great tube stage

Yeah, the Cornet is on my list. A version 1 just went real cheap but I passed because the older ones are a bulky odd shape that I would have trouble placing though they do look better than the newer plastic ones. At least the newer ones are small enough so they can be tucked behind other gear.

I just wonder how they compare to something that was like $1500 and I can get used for like $800.
Delay,
I was using a parasound zdac prior to this. That is a very inexpensive dac but good for the money. I also tried the Peachtree Nova & the AA was much better all the way around. It was also a bit more expensive so may not have been fair. I listen to a very good analog set-up mostly but will say the AA dac is shockingly close to that. It is that good.
Hmm. Now we are onto DACs? Not worrying about that for now since I never really listen to digital stuff on my main system. My Oppo is good enough for now. But good to know that the AA stuff is quality all around.
Check out the Croft RIAA. You can return it if you don’t like it!
https://www.needledoctor.com/Croft-RIAA-Phono-Preamp

Nice. Seen Croft mentioned before but had only seen the full preamp and not the RIAA Phono. Good option.

Sorry about that delay. The only serious phono amp I used prior to the PPA-1 is the Sonic Frontiers. They are both very good but the AA is better in my system. It has a lot more detail and still has a glorious mid-range, stage width & depth. It really beats the SF on the top end. I would say the SF is slightly better on the bottom. The AA just sounds more natural in my system where the SF is a little darker.
 

More detail and bigger soundstage is certainly good, but I am a little worried about bass. The Devores tend toward the lean side in my system/room so I don't want to lose any low end and was hoping to gain some actually.
Are you running an MC? How much experimenting did you do with the loading and how much difference did it make?
I had heard that Primaluna might be coming out with a stand alone tube phono preamp. This would be perfect for you , if they do indeed decide to design one. I prefer a tube phono preamp myself. I really enjoy being able to adjust the sound with different NOS/New Issue tubes.
Ooh, I will look into that. Thanks. I like tube rolling but tend to drive myself a little crazy with it, too, though. Still trying different combos in my PL after having it for like 6 months.
There is no way I would get away from tubes, because you can change, or upgrade in unbelievable ways by simply getting new and different tubes.

I took my tube phono to another level with NOS Telefunkin tubes.


Yeah, I am no stranger to tube rolling. I might end up back with a tube phono stage at some point but I am fine trying something else for now for a couple reasons. One is that most of the tube stages I have been eyeing are on the bigger/bulkier side of things and I don't really have the room (or the desire to start that fight with my wife). Another being it is hot as hell in my house and will be for a few more months. I need to turn the loud window unit AC off to listen to music and the room already starts to noticeably heat up after the PL is on for 20-30 minutes so I am not dying to add more hot tubes in the room. Though a couple more pre tubes wouldn't be as bad as the 10 in my PL.Also there just seem to be a huge amount of SS options these days that people really love for the money. Not quite as many tube options under $1k that I feel would be a definite improvement and I don't have time to build a kit. But if a good deal on a second hand PH16, Croft or Hagerman came my way I wouldn't hesitate to try it. Just didn't find any in the past few weeks of looking.
I do have a nice assortment of 12au7's,12ax7's and some 6dj8 types so I am ready if I do go that route eventually.