Unusual(?) spade connection


Hi everyone,

I have seen some speaker cable spade connections on the amp side where one prong of the spade is inserted into the post hole rather than how it should be placed, where you would insert bare wire.  

The old MIT2 biwire cable I have has spades that are too narrow for the posts on my Hegel and Ampzilla monoblocks. I have never had biwire fitted speakers until obtaining a pair of B&W Matrix 801 S2s and would like to "get the whole experience".

I can fit one prong of the MIT2 cable in each of the amp post holes. But I didn't tighten the post cap(?) in fear of bending or breaking anything.

It just seemed rather strange but if there are no reasons against doing this, I could save a lot of time and expense by not needing to purchase cables (or modify the MIT2s).

Is this a bad idea?

Thanks and stay safe everyone!
hleeid

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@ millercarbon - Good to know the spade thing will work.
Why is bi-wire a bad idea?

btw. Thanks for sharing the Geddes Youtube link!
Watched it a few times.  I have experimented with sub placements as described in the video.

First thing I noticed was increased overall sound quality by just inching two subs away from their respective corners.

Second thing was staggering the heights of my ceiling facing subs seemed to even things out.  Had to decrease the gain.

The concept of room nodes is becoming more clear to me now.

I have a few ceiling mount rigs which would allow me to try facing the subs straight down towards the floor.

Will post results if I get around to doing this.


@elliottbnewcombjr & @tvad -- Thanks for the resources!

I have never replaced spades or banana plugs. When cutting off the spades, is it crucial measure where to cut?  
Just concerned about cable lengths being the same.

@tvad - Thanks for the info! I feel better about doing this now.

@millercarbon - Ok. That does make sense!  Once again, thanks for your input!  I'll try with the MIT2s for a while, experiment with cable elevators, speaker placement etc. 


@lowrider57  - You mentioned:  You may find doubling the biwire cable to one speaker binding post will provide the best sound.

Interesting. I guess I should plan on spades vs banana plugs.
Thanks for pointing this out! 
I will try doubling as you suggested.
Thanks for all the replies!
Looks like I just filled my schedule for the week!

Excited to experiment with the cables and speaker placement.  Thank God these speakers are on wheels!

And yes, what a difference the simple/cheap things can do!

I was so anxious to hook up the B&Ws as I never owned speakers like this, that I used short Kimber Kable cables.

The short cables didn't allow me to pull the speakers far from the front wall.  So after using the much longer MIT2s with one prong on each amp binding post, I was able to move the speakers around.

Huge difference!  Especially in the bass.

Then I discovered that the midrange/tweeter units atop each speaker can rotate.

This helped to tame the brightness (which may be due to the untreated living room).  

I also followed a suggestion by millercarbon to another poster to first try Styrofoam cups to elevate cables.  Had to triple the cups and wrap rubber bands around them because the MIT2 cable is thick as a garden hose and very heavy.

Although I couldn't really tell any difference with the short cables that I have, there was a difference with the much longer (20 ft) MIT2s.

Makes me wonder how many have purchased a nice pair of speakers, set them anywhere, no thought to basic experimentation and sell them because they didn't like the sound.

Stay safe everyone!
@imhififan - The adapter looks like a great solution! Appreciate the tip!  I will have to call these companies asking if they can somehow tell me the diameter of the adapter where the spade goes.
Hopefully the adapter is slimmer than the posts on my amps.

My listening room is very small.  The amps are on a rack against the front wall.  I have banana plugs on my cables that would cause a severe bend in the cable without pulling the rack several inches forward.

If the adapters fit the spades, I can push the rack back against the wall without bending the cables.  That's a noticeable saving in space in this small room!


@elliottbnewcombjr - Nice one! Hadn't thought of that. I like the idea of preserving the cable.  Guess I'll have to cover up the spades once done to prevent accidental shorting.

Looks to be the best solution.
@imhififan -  Thanks again!
Spade to Banana Adapters came in from Transparent.
The spades fit the adapters and I was able to push the rack back to the wall (makes a big difference in this small room!).

No more worries about the really heavy cables bending/breaking the posts. The only way to fit one tip of each spade prong was from the top requiring an unsightly array of supports to prevent the cable from leaning/sliding and damaging the posts.

Really cool that I didn't have to modify the MIT2 cable.  Preserving it is probably a plus as well.

Appreciate everyone's tips and advice!