Good point everybody. Maybe got a little defensive there.
The deal is I appreciate ALL input and EVERYBODY’s opinion
That’s why I posted here
I probably should be, but I’m not that familiar with Roon. Need to study up on that. thanks |
Yes I do
I did not mention this, but I’ve had this system for over a year and it has always sounded fantastic
But now, with the slight changes. I’m blown away. Holy ???? I still can’t believe the sound
I have a PBK (perfect bass kit) from Martin Logan, that allows for bass management/ adjustments in a non perfect room. I haven’t even set that up yet. So, there may be more improvements to come
Now, With the purchase of the Macintosh C53 in a couple of weeks, with the eight band equalizer, I’ll be able to tweak, or do nothing, to individual parts of music to my liking. I cannot wait for that. |
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Sorry. It’s Mr. and Mrs. Cello. Not two Cellos
Martin Logan Renaissance 15A. ( I am not affiliated with Martin Logan in any way)
These hy-brid speakers handle about 750 watts a channel. Each speaker has Dual 500 watt 12 inch woofers. The bottom sub enclosures is about 30 inches deep. So the actual electrostatic panels are about 36 inches from the wall in total
I just used the Martin Logan youtube speaker set up video for the 13A and 15A speakers. Which tells you just how much to toe-in and optimum sitting distance based on how far the speakers are apart. |
Thanks,
Of course I can do better. We can always do better. Even if you have a $500,000 system. It’s all about relativity, But there are limits, for me anyway. Limits are not always measured in dollars also. Cables, ($1000) streamer ($400) Yes, I’m sure can be improved. Hell, even I know they are not up to par with the rest of my system.
But for me, I’m happy, right now. In a couple of years, who knows, I may ask
for advice on upgrading those items.
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Speakers are:
10 inches from the wall
3 feet from side wall on left speaker
6 feet from side wall on right speaker
( before the room spans a out to 32 feet)
Speakers are 9 feet apart. Center to center
I sit 12 feet away listening distance
slight toe in of speakers (ML recommendation)
Hard wood floors with large rugs.
My room is about 32 x 50. Ceilings are 14 to 25 feet
Very large area. But the system can handle the large room even if I’m listening 50 feet away, for sure |
I understand the so call theory that a stand alone DAC would sound better than a DAC built Into a PreAmp or The theory behind “separates”. The McIntosh C53 has the new generation DAC f. (Plus I’m a fan of the Macs). Reviews are good. Supposedly, it’s far better than the first generation DAC in the C47. Which I have said I really like. Using a computer as a analogy, I rather by a new board than buy a whole new computer. Using this analogy because computers change every year.
I’m more into the equalizer portion of the C53. Endless fun of tweaking the sound. If I get bored with the tweaking, I’ll just turn it off/on. If I find that the new generation DAC in the C53 is WAY less efficient than a, for instance lumen T2. Then, instead of paying the money for upgraded DAC, I just buy the Lumin T2. But I think I’ll be pleased
Please look at the ML 15A speaker. The design permits the panels to be a minimum of about 3 feet from the wall. Just picture a upside down “P”. Besides my 50
foot room has a open fireplace in the middle. Which makes me sit a maximum distance of 13 feet from the speaker panels. Don’t want to sit behind the fireplace and listen to music. I like to see the system also. LOL
But if I decide to sit 50 feet a way. The bass can still be too powerful if not tweaked . But, the sound will fill the entire room with accuracy, no distortion,
with brut force bass when required
(Just like Martin Logan, Im not affiliated with McIntosh in any way or form)
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I’m not your standard guy. If I tweak a particular instrument to what I like, or make a recording that I favor more, then I’m satisfied. It’s really all about me at this point. I’m usually the one listening to it most of the time. I would not necessarily say” I’m messing it up. right |
I get it,
I understand everybody’s input on equalization. But my point is if there’s this lady, for instant, singing in the background that sounds so damn good in my opinion, that I wanna hear more of her, this gives me the opportunity to actually do that. The original recording may have been for her to be a low voice in the background during the recording.
Also my room acoustics, I’m sure it is not the same as a studio, LOL. Therefore, the actual sound that was creative at the studio, and intended for us to here, probably will not and most likely, will not sound as it was intended in my wooden floor curtain less room
So. The ability for me to make compensations based on my room being inadequate, or my hearing inadequacies or my desires to bring a particular instrument or vocal to the front or send it to the back gives me all the pleasures in the world and my opinion, make it better on my view
This is reasons why I described the abilities to “equalize”are important in a stereo system for me.
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One of the best discussions. Thanks everyone |
Bikerneil
Been waiting for someone with a similar setup to comment on this point. So glad someone experiences the same sound and imaging that I do. It is unbelievable, the sound is so
good to me that I am completely satisfied as I have said prior
The point you make about these type of speaker positioning is critical. I’ve have this system for more than a year. It a disappointment me to say this, but I just recently, within the last few weeks, I finally made the proper speaker adjustments and I now have the sound that you and I are describing as well. A full year, but now I’m here.
I just traded In my C47 picked up a McIntosh C53. With the built in 8 band equalizer. One of the truly first, I think, Preamps with a equalizer that does not diminish the sound from what I hear. The comments from many popular high level audiophile reviewers also confirms this minimum loss, if any, due to the equalizer. I
cant wait to play with the sound variations to my liking. Or to simply turn off the EQ to return to the originally intended recorded sound
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I appreciate your desire not to EQ. Everybody has their preference and I respect that. I can see EQing becoming an obsession. Normally it does, but, for me. It does not. I’ll listen to music one way for awhile and then another way for awhile. As well as no EQ at all. I like options. I’ve had EQ before. And some times not making changes for months at a time.
I assume then that you guys don’t adjust subwoofers levels, treble and base on your preamps. I can take this farther that you don’t adjust volume as much either. I’m sure the original recorded sound was at one particular volume. That would be hard to duplicate who knew with the original volume could be |
Actually, I must confess, I love this thread. I like the input of “ To Equalize Or Not To equalize” I will equalize music all day long, if, and I mean if, I feel it’s required.
However, I do understand the “Not To Equalize” theory a lot of audiophile insist upon.
I was all over the board today for hours and listen to my various playlists such as Rock, Vocals, Jazz Vocals, Piano, Guitar, Country, violins, Heavy Jazz, Dizzy Gillespie, Motown. No Rap today though. With No equalizer, no Treble, no bass adjustments. Basically flat and I enjoyed the hell out of it. Tomorrow I may/ most likely will tweak a frequency or a few. And I will enjoy it all over again, this time with a different sound. Can’t wait |
