Im using Symposium Supercouplers with grade 2 1/2 Superballs under the 3 motors on a Symposium custom Ultra Shelve which will even things out Big Time!! |
I know. I wonder if the stand and a longer belt may have any contribution to the final performance. |
Its the same motor without the stand. |
---> Ebm,
If you have all BN upgrades, can you let me know if you compared a three motor pad - simplified round shape version vs. the version sourced from BN? |
I agree 100% before this i never liked mats.This brings my TW AC with all BN upgrades to a new level. |
I have TW mat since two days.
In my opinion it brings TW turntables at new level of performance.
Thanks to thick layer of properly executed damping the mat eliminated a disadvantages of mass loader table and blends the best properities of mass loader and suspended table.
The mat not only sounds great but also adds a protection to the platter. The slip a mat over plate or a record over mat is simply impossible.
Highly recommended. |
Copper platter better bass,depth and imaging more solid.Mat goes on top of platter it was designed by Zanden who has a BN turntable i don't use a clamp i like it better without one thats me. |
EBM,
I also have few upgrades from BN to my AC (cones and battery PSU). Could you kindly let me know what gaind gived adding a copper plater?
Does TW mat slips over a plater when you brush a record without a record clamp? |
OK, so the key is to find a mat that will give protection to the lacquer and do not screw up the performance.
Seems that new TW mat will do that. I will try tchem. |
No mat works best for me. I tried a few including graphite, bostom acoustic and TTW triple laminated with copper and carbon fiber, millennium. |
HI,I have TW AC With all BN updates,just got copper platter.Never liked mats after listening without mat tried new TW (Zanden) mat gave be more definition and detail and eliminated a touch of brightness wonderful upgrade!! |
I once asked my helper to assist me removing the TW platter so I can oil the bearing. Don't know if my helper was a merman in his former life, but after two days I found the platter oxidized with his finger marking. |
I own a Raven AC and currently I am using Boston Audio Mat 2.
In my opinion the problem with Raven and mat is that: for me Raven sounds best without any mat. Just record directly on the copper insert. The mat is needed only for protection reasons.
If someone will be using LP directly on lacquered copper insert it yields to destroying lacquer coating and will allow a copper to oxidize.
From this point of view the quality of lacquer coating is inferior as cannot be used without any protection if we do not want damaging cover. In my opinion Thomas should rethink the lacquer he uses or look around for other coating maybe galvanized one.
If we think about using a mat the best from practical point of view is a mat that will not slip over platter when we clean a record with brush. My Boston Audio mat is very hard and slippery. Any hard particle between the mat and platter yields to scratching lacquer cover when mat slips over a platter.
I hope that new mat from TW is made of such rubbery, soft and heavy and a little sticky material that will eliminate the problem without necessity of gluing the mat to the platter. Otherwise it does not have sense IMHO. |
Check back on the Facebook page again. It's there with two pics. It retails for $500. It is made by the Zanden designer, but custom and different with TW's input. Preliminary reports from Jeff are very positive. I took the plunge and ordered one. Should arrive in next two weeks. Once I receive it, I'll report back my opinions. |
Hmmm.. if it is Zanden mat, I tried them last year with TW Raven AC-1 and I did not like the result very much. I tried both thickness, 7mm and 3 or 5mm if I remember correctly.Looks and feel similar to rubber mat that came with VPI Classic 3 but a lot thicker. |
I don't see anything about a new TT mat on their FB page. |
Yamada-san is from Zanden Audio
http://www.theaudiobeat.com/ces2012/ces2012_zanden.htm
But am sure it is much cheaper in Japan |
