Turntable speed accuracy

Dear all, I'm sorry I've stop watching the forum for a few days and so, I've admit I've felt somewhat pitty for no one of you could not indentify all of my bitter posts regarding the TT which been pictured by Hiho at 11-14-11.
It is my (28000 EURO) Symphonic Line RG6 and I have it from 1996. I'm trying to sell it locally for about a year with no luck here in Greece. I don't know how to post a picture with my Pluto on it (please Chris if you have the kindness do it for me). It is not possible to convert it for other than the euro std of 230V/50Hz and it is a great challenge for me to pack it safetly so, no interest to sell it other than local pick up. I'm not satisfied by this TT and I've allready replaced it by Thorens TD124 II/Saec WE308SX. I would not comment furthermore about it as I've allready said more than enough. You can search my posts in Agon.

Dear Nicola, this is the very first product by Rolf Gemein long before the appearing of Symphonic Line amplifiers. I know that Brinkmann was one of his employees. The RG6 was reviewed by TAS back at 1991 and praised as the best TT in the world. After living with it from '96 till today, I can say that it is not to my liking.

Thank you Chris. Of course a big yes by me, but I'll have to mention the name behind of this inspiration is mr. Chris Skaloumbakas president of our audiophile club.

OK guys, now what about those overpriced dinosaurs full of glamour & macho BS ?
As you see their imposing sight can bring many faulse hopes and great expectations. For me this particular is a cheater but for some others may be the end and all of an analog source. Is it only about the money maker mind behind them ? I asure you NO! Mr Gemein is the kindest of souls among us. So, it is my estimation that we audiophiles, we just don't accept the same values or priorities in music reproduction. I regret that I had to pay such a high price and lost 15 years only to find my own priorities.

I would be glad to trade it for a Goldfinger, a SAEC WE800SX, a Centroid or even good DAC. Especially if for the SAEC WE800SX, I would be happy to also give my own WE308SX with the RG6. I don't expect for anyone to reply in this forum, (it is not possible for me to accept the challenge of safetly packing it) but I want to give you an idea of my desparation as I even can't stand to see this TT anymore in my house. I'm sure that someone could bring up the apparent modifications (in motor, PSU, symmetrical flywheel & thread) and perhaps makes it sing to his satisfaction. Others are allready love it's way of performing, but for me it was a very bitter & dissapointing experience and I have to stop here. Impress me yes. This of course is the danger of hearing it without understanding what is going on. The huge wall of sound of it's personality is endlessly throwing dust to your eyes so you can't clearly recognize it's faults.

Thank you my friend. I appeciate your help, but at the moment I don't have the will to take such a challenge. Thanks again.

Dear Thuchan, thank you for your interest. A price of 5000 EURO is enough for me, but I'm not really prepeared to mess with packaging this monster. The company's original package was a joke : 3 big boxes full of urethane chips and nothing else. Anyway I'm glad that you guys want to help me with your advice. It's good to know that I have international friends.

Certainly looks like a Brinkmann but the bearing is quite different and unique. I find it quite unlikely if Brinkmann designed this bearing 20 years back and now abandoned this in favour of the very small & plain bearing inside the new TTs with Brinkmann logo. Honestly I don't really care (as I would'nt trade it for a Brinkmann TT). The only thing that I would miss is the helpfull armboard.

Dear Nandric, the Goldmund REF designed by George Bernard and the latest edition mkII also. The latest projects of both Simon & Pierre were about $25000 and it comes naturally the cause of their choise regarding BD TTs as Eddie first showing the seeds of the "exotic" creations (?)
I've had in my posession the Zarathustra S4 and the J4/SL5 and for a limited time (3 months) the Studio ST4. All of them were very fine TTs and not so far from reality ($$$).
Anyway right now I'm far away from this kind of lust and I feel that the Hi-Fi market's turning point at '80s with the Japan giants leaving the field to some hungry animals, it is still our torment today after 3 decades and we owe it to our love for this hobby to realise and accept the influence which has upon us the marketing status. After the shrinkage of the hi-fi market, the industry turns it's back and left the designers to seek for the whealthy victims among us. There is so little progress and so much BS today that the buyer is usually go for the more beautiful as a statement of his life style. But unfortunatelly TTs are not cars and so, his "Buggatti" is only for the eye and refuses to spin properly a vinyl.
Are we going to feed this monster again?

Dear Halcro, the mass is not enough for the thread to work properly. You must add a flywheel. The grip of the belt beats it's elasticity in this particular arrangement and it would be even better if you can manage to put a capstan at the pulling side of the motor in order to increase this characteristic once your set-up is better served by this grip than the thead's slippage. I've witnessed the same action by placing a thread on my 24 kgr platter. Here the reason was not only the improper mass but also the very weak motor. And the limited acceptance of a round belt only, left me without opportunities to fix anything. (Not that I care any more about that TT. I'm only sharing some tweeks of the past). Perhaps Daniel can share his experience ?

ΟΚ, but we have to decide about the correlation between motor's torque and platter's inertia, the amount of belt's grip or slippage, the speed, the distance and diameter of the pulley in correlation with the desired circumferance of contact around the platter, a magnetic, hydraulic or pneumatic preloaded break ... So many things to consider and we have to know precisely the correct values in order to cooperate and fulfill the purpose of correction at the time the platter asks for. As the motor commands the correction and the drug varies continuously, the transitional stages of the driveline must be zeroed, it seems that it is a critical point in every part that meets the criteria. A golden ratio for everything.