Turntable advice


Hello everyone, I’m looking to buy my first turntable and want to get some advice about two specific turntables that I’m looking at. I can get both of these for a similar cost, so I’m looking for opinions on which way I should go. First, my current system consists of Rockport Cygnus, McIntosh mc1.25kw’s, McIntosh c2700 (will be used as phono stage at the start), dcs Bartok apex for digital, Cardas clear reflection cables (not power), rel no 31 pair of subs and torus power units. 

The tables that I’m down to (unless I choose to not spend as much out the gate) are a VPI Avenger Plus, most likely with a Hana ML cartridge and a Pure Fidelity Harmony with the illustrious se Tonearm and either the same cart or potentially the stratos cartridge. 
 

If I go this route, I’d like something that could eventually get more out of upgrades cartridges or tonearms down the road. Any advice or thoughts would be helpful, especially if you have experience with both. Thanks in advance!

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Seeing as a Video has already been used to help the OP attain valuable information on this subject.

I have found one more Video, that should prove extremely useful.

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/audiophile-comedy

I suggest being a little speculative as well, most owners of a Vinyl Collection have experienced uplift in value.

Start Buying Albums, Keep them in their Cellophane until the Vinyl Rig is set up and ready to go.

Albums are a increasing in value Commodity, there are plenty of record collectors who will vouch for this.

The TT Rig might be wise to have a Koetsu Cart' as these are in my view certainly going to increase in Value, even as a well used model.

Ortofon's buy back deal, enforced the used Cart' Market for their Brand to rocket, a Cart' that is revered by many across the Globe and no longer in production will be a good speculative purchase, and many will suggest a wise choice as a Cart'.

Other Purchases are going to depreciate, hence the used market is great as a source to buy into TT's and Tonearms. 

@chrisoshea Your advice then, is to spend $0000's ? on a Vinyl Replay Source and then invest in the Source Material after. 

The OP who has made it known are only in a possession of a few Vinyl LPs, has a need to but Source Material, the suggestion to keep it in Cellophane is the best method to keep the Purchases close to their max' resale value whilst preparing for a Source to replay Vinyl LP's.

At no time was the OP informed to buy Albums they have no interest in being experienced in use.

Here's the deal through my eyes, a TT > Tonearm > Cartridge purchased that does not satisfy, is a very fast track route to hemorrhaging monies, I know this through experiences had.

90% of my Purchased Albums are increased in value and some are through the roof. Have a look at the Original Pulse Vinyl LP, which I have in Cellophane and unused.

For the record I am not a record Collector, there are three Albums in my collection from my early years of purchases that are unused and my most recent collecting probably has three or four Albums unused, but some of unused LP's are part of a  Box Set.

My advice based on experiences had is sound and certainly not wasteful.

My next advice, that will not be a waste of ones time and could save them parting with substantial monies unnecessarily. Is to strongly recommend, what no other contributor has recommended.

I strongly recommend to the OP to get out and do a little foot work, creating  opportunities to be demo'd a selection of Vinyl Replay Sources. The result will be one thing only, to learn what can be achieved, and most importantly, learn what is not wanted to be achieved.

Rega will most likely be towards the Latter, I personally shelved the idea of Rega Products alongside my shelving the idea of Linn Products over 25 Years ago.

I have encountered these Brands on numerous occasion since and not one of these encounters has created any thing that can be suggested as being a inspiring stimulus.

@dan_springer - Congrats on your trusting your own instincts, I can see the allure of the Avenger Plus, it has the blessing of being very photogenic.

Your Statement is as follows:

"In the end I decided to go with the one that I enjoyed listening to the most, which was the Avenger Plus > Benz LP-S" > Diana Krall Live in Paris. 

I commend you for doing the footwork to experience the audio devices you have developed an interest in. 

I also know there is a Jaw on the Floor experience to be had, when Diana Krall is replayed.

As for the LP-S.

The following info, if not already known should really reassure you the choice has to be one to create excitement.

Do bear in mind, the Boron Cantilever and a few other design tweaks, especially in the Damper Material, Coil Wire and Winding Structure creates the Antithesis to the Richest of Bloom known for Heavy Wood Body Cart's.

The weight referred to is selected to have substantial impact on transferral of and dissipation of resonance  

Cart's Pedigree

Background on company and ruby generator: In the 1980s Ernst Benz developed his line of moving coil cartridges in conjunction with Sony in Japan and AJ van den Hul of the Netherlands. These pickups were immediately recognized for their high quality and brought to market under the Benz Micro name

Benz Micro LP S Class moving coil cartridge: The Benz Micro LP-S class cartridge is the flagship of the line representing over 20 years of R&D and production expertise. 

A few Words from a review

I developed a short list of contenders:  Miyajima Shilabe, ZYX Omega, Air Tight PC-1, Transfiguration Orpheus, Dynavector XV-1t, My Sonic Lab Eminent Ex. and Koetsu Sky Blue.  After sorting through a lot of opinions I called my friend Roger Swiatek at Music Direct.  He spoke highly of the new Benz LP-S.  It had also recently received a very positive albeit brief review in the series of seven cartridges auditioned by Harry Pearson in the October 2010 issue of The Absolute Sound.

Reviewers words on their first listening

Looking at my stack of LPs in frequent rotation, I decided on the Prestige reissue two-record set of Miles Davis Workin’ and Steamin’ [Prestige P-24034].  While some turn up their noses at reissues, I find many of the Prestige reissues to be quite good.  From the moment this cartridge hit the groove of the first cut "It Never Entered My Mind", I knew I was in for a very special treat.

The gently caressing piano intro just melted me. When Miles’ muted trumpet came in shortly after, I could hear all of the breathiness behind it and a warm golden glow in each note.  As he ascended the scale I was astonished by the composure in the upper midrange.  There was absolutely no glare in this critical region.  I was immediately taken back to my early days of trumpet playing when my mother used to yell up the stairs while I was practicing in my room, admonishing me to get the tone right.  If only my mother was still alive to experience this. This was sheer tonal splendor!  Playing this album with the Benz LP-S began a sonic torrent of records that put me into a state of bliss from which I may never recover.  At least I hope I won't.

Once more I look forward to your sharing on your new to be encountered experiences.