Tubes vs Solid State


I have have been listening to music all my life but have only recently started experimenting with different amplifier and/or speakers/component combinations. I have recently moved from Parasound JC 1's to Classe Cam 400 monoblocks which I have both loved (maybe the prior a bit more) and are contemplating another move. I have been very intrigued by tube monoblocks and have the opportunity now to move to ARC ref 600's. I can also get Mark Levinson 33's for about the same cost. I am just uncertain about the Ref 600's as I am worried that I might be disappointed in the tube sound.

Can someone with more experience perhaps help me out here ? I am using the amps as part of a home-theatre setup driving 802 d's and other 800 diamond fronts and rears. I would really appreciate some good advice here.
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I have a client who owns the 800D. He used the ML 33's. Wenn I listend to this amps I was surprised how poor the sound and stage depth and wide was. He was not happy with it. So he asked me what to do? I said try Pass labs. He tried it and he still owns it. He never was this happy with his set ever. All the ML demo's I heard in my life ( there were a lot) I never got thrilled. Why? Because there are always missing essential parts which should be there. I think a combi with Pass labs power amp with a tube pre amp is a good option for you as well!!
People with less knowledge about audio could buy Mark Lenvinson. Wenn you are in this business you know how average it is compared to competitors.
In the 15 years I am in this business I never heard a good demo of ML gear. I listen a lot of them. With my knowledge it is difficult to understand why people bought it. You can get easily superior stuff for the same price. Wenn you spend a lot of money on this you want at least a deep and wide stage. And a very natural sound. Even these parts they cannot give. To be unnest often the people who have it did not know there was stuff which is that better. On the other hand you are still responsible for the stuff you bought.
They are more musical, but this is only sound. The absolute sound in my world is a level which stands closer to the real thing. As it is in real. I learned at a friends concert room how direct and small in proportion voices and even instruments are in real. I thought they would be a lot bigger. I call this intimate sound. He ad a room for about 60 people. I was pulled like a magnet to the music. I have done a lot of research to get this doen by an audio system. I am a perfectionist and always looking for the best. Pass labs give a much wider and deeper stage compared to Mark Lenvinson. Even acoustic recordings you hear the difference of different acoustic guitars much easier compared to ML amps. The latest amps have a more musical sound of ML. But compared to Pass Labs you miss still the essential parts for the absolute sound. I understand that most people did not have possibilities like me to do hundreds of tests to understand it. But it is not so difficult to hear the difference. These days I learn people the difference between 2 and 3-dimensional sound. They all understand it very fast. Because I have a system what is easily to convince.
Different cables: Audioquest Redwood 2013 bi-wire loudspeakercable. Pure silver for high/mid, pure copper for low freq. This cable gives the best blacks I have heard sofar by any loudspeakercable. It gives the intimate sound as I experienced as in real. I owned the Nordost Valhalla for 12 years. The Redwood is even better in speed and drive compared to the Valhalla. I use most Purist Audio power cables like the 2013 LE. Interconnects: Acapella xlr pure silver and Audioquest Sky pure silver. I have a Pass Labs X250.5 poweramp ( upgrade to 600.5 will be next amps)
No problem. I had the XP-20 for 2 years of time. These days I use A Onkyo PR-SC5509 with Audyssey Pro. And now comes the key factor. I do a lot Onkyo since 3 years. I have done many tests with Audyssey. Since one year I am also a pro installer. I am additced to music since I was 6. At that age I had my own Philips big tape recorder with tubes. I sarted early. I am in audio since 1998. I have worked for 8 years in audio speciality shops. But these days I do consulting in sound and vision. I love the freedom it gives. I have a photographic memory what makes audio a lot ebtter to understand. I can see 3-4 steps further than other people can in this business. I measure at total different places and hights compared to the Audyssey way. This is superior in dynamics, resolution and focus. There way is ok but not convincing. You loose too much dynamics. I have done a lot of tests to improve it. Audyssey is a lot more than solving acoustic problems. This is only 1/3 of the whole system. I use it from highend audio point of view. 6 months ago I was the absolute sound with my own system at a big audio show. To be unnest it was very easy to blow away the rest. Most distrinuters do not have the knowledge and only use the stuff they sell. What make the PR_SC with my measurement different? More dynamic and more speed. ( even compared to the XP-20 I had before) My stage is wider and deeper than the XP-20. My individual focus of instruments and voices is sharper. Cause of solving the acoustic problems of the room there is so much more music and authority. Without you normally will get a lot of issues. Even in the high freq. I have more information. Like I said before; words endings at ss, ttt and th had never been this open and clear. At the audio show I visited many other sets. Which were inferior in speed, depth, resolution, 3-dimensional focus, blacks etc. Shop owners came to me and saud: we never heard this level before. I use the Pl-200 from Monitor Audio and there PLW-15 sub. With my measurement I have the stealth integration of a sub I Always dreamed of. This sub is a lot better in speed and respons compared to Rel and Velodyne. I have a freq range now from 16hz till above 100.000 hz. And I can play at an extrme level without stress. ( pl-200 can play till about 118db spl)