TU-8600S


Phew.  I bought the last one!

I built the 8600R and use it in my small system sourced from a BluOs Node and driving a pair of Harbeth P3ESRs.  Rather nice sound.

I had tried the 8600R in my big rig between the K-01xs and the Atria IIs (?Reference System - ugh) and though it excellent.  I was surfing around and saw that there was a TU-8600S with the Lundahl OPTs for sale - I was drinking a glass of Patricia Green Cellars Pinot Noir - which may have something to do with the spur of the moment purchase - so I went into my office and ordered it.  The kit should arrive later today.

It will be a few days before I can start building it as my wife is in the final stages of her MoMA holiday card submission for 2026 and I do all of her Adobe Illustrator work.

Any thoughts on upgraded caps, the Mundorfs or Jupiter beeswax seem to get good reviews but possible a bit of extra top end from the Mundorfs (and with my tinnitus I do NOT need that)?

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I would say 6 out of 10.  Nothing too difficult but it does require care to not get solder bridges between soldering points as they are often very close, and there are a few large joints to be made, there are large solder only (no mechanical connection) joints between the back panel and the main PCB.

There are a lot of components!  40 capacitors and 81 resistors - that is 242 solder points.

And probably another 50 or 60 connections to other  components, diodes, headers etc. so there are over 300 solder joints to be made.

I think I would not recommend it as a first project.  There is a company Jameco that has some fun, interesting, beginner projects (this is a great store, along with DigiKey and Mouser for components.)  With a kit such as Jameco has you should quite quickly get the rhythm of how long to hold the iron on the joint and how and when when to apply the solder to the joint - NOT the iron.

The Tube Store https://www.thetubestore.com/elekit-tu-8600s-tube-amp has kits available at a good discount ($‎1,359.96, though I don't know if they have the Lundahl Upgrade available.  I previously built the basic level TU-8600R and it has excellent sound quality.

If you want to do it I would suggest you get the TU-8600S kit before they sell out and a couple of learning kits for fun from Jameco.  Go to Jameco.com and search for learn to solder.

You will of course need a good soldering iron, I have the Weller WE1010NA Digital Soldering Station from Amazon (about $120), it holds an accurate temperature and has an auto standby mode (Jameco sells this but for about $70 more).  You will also need solder - 63/37 is much better than 60/40 as it is a "eutectic" alloy - it immediately goes from liquid to solid which helps to prevent dry joints, 60/40 goes through a semi-liquid stage and ANY movement at that time ruins the connection. Jameco's Kester 24-6337-0027 Solder is just the right diameter (.031 - thinner than stuff from the hardware store), and is the 63/37 alloy.

A lead bending jig - a few $$ from Amazon will help to bend the leads of the resistors to go through the holes accurately - though I planed pieces of wood to the right thickness in my wood shop.

Also soldering wick to suck up solder if you have to undo something and a desoldering pump may also be useful.  Figure on about $200 for tools, as you will also need a good diagonal cutter and needle nose pliers.

I use a small fan to provide airflow so I don't breath fumes from the rosin flux.

I have also found that a single ended 300B will drive my 87dB (in)sensitive Atrias to any volume that I need.

I believe that you will enjoy the overall experience, though there may be some initial frustration with learning to solder cleanly - hence the beginners' kits.  And you will end up with a great sounding amp (with a volume control) for about $2k with tubes.

My apologies if I carried on for too long, this did turn into a treatise on soldering, but I hope it was encouraging in a measured way.  Good luck!

 

I finished the build, I think it took about 15 hours overall.  This kit is significantly more challenging than the TU-8600R.  There are many more components (about 300 solder points) and there are a number of components whose leads must be bent rather precisely to make them fit.

Fitting the sockets for the 300Bs was a game - the sockets had L shaped solder tags that must be almost straightened to fit the slots in the PCB.  The 5 pin SCRs required care to get the pins in the holes.

I made my task longer as, after measuring the provided resistors, I purchased a set of Vishay/Dale 1% metal film parts, with a few spares, and carefully selected those closest to nominal, achieving a worst case of 0.2% and usually better that 0.1%.  Also I matched the l-r pairs, with only a couple of instances where I did not a have enough spares to get an absolute match, and always less that 0.05% (a difference of 1 in the LS digit of my meter, with an MS digit of 2 or more) between the channels.  I don't know is this will improve SQ but it cannot hurt!

They had done a good job with the OPT PCBs, they were tailored specifically to the TU-8600S so no jumpers required.

The circuit is very complex, with many components in the power supplies. There are totally separate supplies for the left and right output tube filaments. The rectification and filtering for the left and right B+ are separate and there is a separate stabilized supply for the fixed bias.

Interestingly the heaters of the driver tubes are AC, the input tube has heavily filtered DC.

There are two NFB loops, from an extra winding on the OPT, one to the grid of the output tube, the other to the cathode of the drivers.  In both cases the NFB in isolated using opto-couplers.

Now to try running it on the bench hooked up to an old pair of small speakers and a BluOs node.  Unfortunately it will be a month before I can put it in the "big rig" to get an idea of how good it is as I have just had surgery and cannot lift the stuff around!

Congrats on your new build!  Let us know your thoughts after it has settled into your system.  Lots of helpful info in your posts.

I borrowed the Harbeth P3ESRs and a BluOs box from my "kitchen" system, inserted the three NOS input & driver tubes, and a pair of WE 300Bs, hooked it up with Kimber PBJs and 4TCs and turned it on.

Given its location streaming did not work so I had to run a Cat 5 so I could access the library on the Aurender.

First impression: it's a very good amplifier.  Clearly a step up from the TU-8000R; tighter bass, cleaner treble, better soundstage and the instruments are resolved better, each in its own space.  The resolution of lower level passages is outstanding (and delicious), even though the P3ESRs, which sound lovely, are not the most revealing speakers.

As expected the mid-range is gorgeous.  I played a number or choral pieces, from the Fauré requiem to the (inevitable) Spanish Harlem Chesky demo track.  Rebecca Pidgeon floated a couple of feet behind the speakers, as did the soloists in the requiem; I was listening very near field, the speakers and I in a 5 or 6 ft equilateral triangle.  On good recordings there was a clear sense of the recording space.

With the Lundahl upgrade and premium (Jupiter Copper-Wax) coupling caps it is not an inexpensive amp, a bit over $4,500 with the installed tubes.  That is more than I paid for my XA25 which was a floor demo unit.  So it is in a price range of some excellent performers.

I really want to move it over to the "reference" (please forgive) system but I am currently limited to 15 lbs lifting and the XA25 is in the way and is over 50 lbs!  It will be interesting to see how good it is between the K-01XD and the Atrias, with Cardas interconnects and filtered power.  There will be a decision whether to run it direct or through the LA4.  It is nice to have remote volume and not to have to rewire stuff to listen to Vinyl.

As an aside, looking at the circuit diagram I found TWO NFB loops for the input.  The NFB winding on the OPT feeds back to part of the input cathode resistor chain, and the input cathode resistors are not bypassed!  There is a total of 4 NFB links.  So much for the simplicity of SET topology.

I'll update in a few weeks when my surgery has healed and the amp has more hours on it.