How good is it? There are 8 friends of mine right now that own the TRL/Sony 595 that are keeping quiet until they sell their other various modified players, to insure that they get the maximum price.
While I have no real experience with Klipsch loudspeakers of any kind, nor any of your other associated gear, I feel confident that you will like the TRL 595. My primary source used to be my modified Scully 270 open reel deck, playing back my 300 some master dubs. Now I load 5 CD's or SACD's and sit back and enjoy: 1) The analog tape sound of their unit and 2) The convenience of the 5 disc player. (a huge plus for a lazy mid-life guy like myself) 3) And, I don't miss spooling tape and listening to the entire reel, just to hear that one favorite song at the end of the reel. (I realize that any CD player can remedy number 3, but until now, not one has sounded like my mod'ed Scully playing back 2 track masters.)
But what it all comes down to is, if it weren't for number 1 listed above, I wouldn't use it much.
Patience .... patience ... |
Lokie: the power switch is disconnected. This is part of the mod. According to Paul, this is important. Your unit is not broken. Listen and enjoy! (I know that I have been)
711: there is better and I've heard it. I've heard the $30K Tube Research Labs proto-type in their listening room and yes, it is better than the TRL/Sony 595. But it is $29,200 more, so it had better be, right?
Sounds like you have a lot of new gear showing up at the same time. I've heard that the Reimers need a little time to fully break in, (like any other good speaker), so hopefully everything settles in around the same time ... |
I was in the market for a Meitner combo. I even had one in my system for over 1 month.
Hope this helps you, Ken. |
Umm, actually the TRL combo is $30K and I have heard the proto-type which is better than the TRL595. Is it $29,200 better? Some will pay the price for the difference. You get what you pay for ...
Best wishes,
Jack |
I couldn't agree more, LK Dog. When the lights are turned on, watch all the cockroaches scramble.
What seems evident to me:
1) 711smilin has no intention of giving the TRL unit a fair shake. That seems very odd to me. What would he have to gain by doing this? Does this seem odd to anyone else? Does it mean ... (although even if he did, why would I consider his opinion over anyone elses?)
2) Alex is extremely concerned about the TRL mod unit. (And he should be). Why any modifier out there would stoop so low as to flame a competitor in the same business on-line is beyond me. Alex's comments remind me of 3 of the 4 roofing contractors that gave us bids on a roof replacement a few years back. Three of them spent the majority of their sales presentation running down the competition. The fourth contractor didn't. Guess who got the job?
3)This has been a thread about the TRL mod, which is the best baragin that I've seen in audio (in my 30 some years in the hobby) at only $550 plus shipping.
4) Jayctoy: I actually had the Meitner DAC6 and modified 1000 in my system. Can you say the same? Really. Have you ever seen one?
5) Jayctoy: Did you know that Weitzel (TRL) used the DAC8 and ADC8 for almost a year for his live DSD recordings? Would you think that a man that actually had the unit and used it for live recordings would know the sound of each unit? (Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you, Jayctoy, the ADC8 and DAC8 are separate units. One is a D to A convertor and the other is a A to D convertor, eight channels each. Can you guess which one is which?)
6) Do a google search, Tube Research Labs has an impeccable reputation. Can this be said for others?
Something just seems a little fishy about this thread now. Why all the hatred? |
I think that I have over 500 hours on my TRL 595 and it still is improving.
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FYI, Stephaen Harrell's review is now up at 6moons.com
http://6moons.com/audioreviews/trl/595.html |
Trust me, Jay, the C2000ES TRL is much better than their 595 mod. Better dynamics, resolution, detail and naturalness.
They also have started modifying the Toshiba 3960, which shows promise. They say that the video is very good as is the audio. I'll likely sit and wait for the next batch of Marantz SA-11's to hit the docks and have them mod it for me ... |
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I've made a mistake, please excuse me, the comparison is between the TRL/Sony C2000ES and the APL Phillips, not the APL 3910.
Sorry. |
Which $20K players/combos are not as good as the TRL/Sony 595? Well, I had a EMM Labs (Meitner) combo in my system for over a month (and it was already broken in). That's not quite $20K, but it isn't too far off. (I have first hand experience. How many nay-sayers can say the same?)
I'm sure that you've already read Speakerarts post above ... how much does a APL Phillips cost?
I've already covered the differences between the two in past posts here at A'Gon. Do a search ... |
I agree, TVAD. I've already bookmarked his post.
You're right, Lkdog, this is a crazy hobby ... |
Alex: Please include me on your list for the rolling APL unit. I have a SA-14 which will be modified by TRL next week and considering the amount of inquiries for your offer, mine should be fully broken in when yours arrives. Like Tmoore above, I'd be interested in your best available player. Thanks for the offer. My e-mail address is jack_seaton@yahoo.com |
Guidocorona: So do you have the APL unit now? Where are you on the list?
Thank you in advance :)
Jack |
No Steve, as I understand, the owner of the GT-200's that you'd inquired about underwent a surgery and changed his diet, which restored his hearing. This said, he took delivery of the GT-200's. As Joe Friday used to say, "Just the facts, Mam". I know this because I was going to buy that pair of GT-200's if you failed to come up with the money. Please don't shoot the messenger. :)
Yes, I have heard the ST-225 Transistor Research Labs integrated. Nice sounding amp. So good I've sold my Tube Research amps. :) |
Steve: I was going to tri-amp my speakers and was awaiting the construction of a pair of TRL SET 75's for the high frequencies. If you didn't already know, there is a waiting list for Tube Research Labs amps and pre-amps. At that time, I would still be waiting for the SET 75's. If I bought that particular pair of GT-200's, I would have used the GT-100's for the high frequencies and the other two pairs of GT-200's for the mid and bass amps. Make sense? At the time, I was disappointed that I was number 2 (the back up guy) in line for that particular set of GT-200's because they were being offered at a deal. I sincerely hoped that you couldn't come up with the money. I was on top of this more than you were and even tried to sway Paul into selling to me, rather than you, but he wouldn't hear of it. I'm sure that Paul could share the original purchaser's contact info, so that you could confirm that what I have said is true. You were looking at a Tube Research Labs ST-100 Stereo tube amp too, as witnessed in the link below. Please note that I am not responsible for Brian Walsh's comments in that thread. http://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?aamps&1109612795&read&keyw&zztrlIt appears that there were other options at that time, like the ST-100 that you asked about, which was for sale at Audiogon at the time. I can not tell you what to do or which amplifier to buy, Steve. System integration is everything and it appears that you are the lone Wolf that does not like the TRL sonic signature. This said, perhaps it is a blessing that you did not take possession of that particular pair of GT-200's. As Brian Walsh stated, "Everything matters". Maybe Alex has an amplifier in mind that mates well with his APL sonic signature? You two seem petty tight and you love Alex's house sound. Maybe you should integrate in that direction? Best wishes, Jack Seaton |
"Since I am NO expert I just sent it off to Alex to see if there are any other mods"
Makes sense to me, Steve. If I didn't like my TRL 595, I'd send it off to their competitor, too, rather than just sell it. Do you realize just how unscrupulous this sounds? Have you sent your other modified players off to Alex too? Is this common practice for you and Alex, to view the competitors work, anaylize it and incorporate into yours? I'm trying to understand your motives ... it just doesn't make sense.
Next, you make derogatory statements about Lkdog, as if you are THE only person in the know. As Brian Walsh stated when you were inquiring about the TRL GT-200's, (Seen here[urlhttp://forum.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?aamps&1109612795&read&keyw&zztrl/url] "I would suggest bringing the rest of your system and room up toward that level before taking the plunge. Everything matters." Since he has been to your home and has heard your system with the Reimers, I'll take his word. And considering Brian's long term in the hobby and exposure to Hi-Fi and mid-fi, too :) ... I'm inclined to agree. This said, you should be the last man to cast the first stone. But, that isn't your way ... that isn't your mode of behavior. In my opinion, "There is NO WAY IN HELL your opinion on this means anything, uless you have listened for yourself, or been involved with TRL on MY level, not yours." How does that taste, Steve? I just questioned YOUR ability and YOUR system and YOUR room. In your words, "Have fun in your journey, cause I am having fun in mine". :)
To me, you are a man who has an axe to grind with TRL. You try to elude that it is because you were cheated on an amp, which couldn't be further from the TRUTH. I believe that it is for other gain, which is plain to see. Regarding the TRL GT-200's, sorry, Mike Joyce's hearing improved, which is great news because he is a professional in the music industry whose hearing is essential to his income. Paul did the right thing and honored Mike's deal, because (after all) Mike was the original purchaser of the amps and had already paid a substantial down payment.
Since I am well versed with TRL products, I have folks from all over the World that e-mail me and ask my opinion. This said, after I took possession of the SS amps, I could have managed selling them easily. And, (unlike yourself), I didn't have to sell my other gear to pay for the amps. I could have wired Paul's account that day, which is their standard practice. :)
About the reviews ... Did you happen to notice the GTRP-800 review at the TRL web site? I guess that one slid right past you ... It is authored in 1992 by Mr. Sugano, one of the most revered Japanese audio reviewers. There was another 2 reviews of the GTRP-800's in 1992, with front page photos in 2 issues of Audio Technique magazine, which many here are familiar with. There is a review of the GT-200's (which really should have been of interest to you) in 2000 by the Editor of The Inner Ear Report. Then, there was the 1992 front page article in the Wall Street Journal (perhaps you've heard of it?) where TRL is listed in the top 20 electronics exporters ($ wise) to the Orient. (BTW, you weren't even in the hobby then, were you?) There are others, Steve. You could try to contact Paul for the 6 or 7 others ... if he'd take your call. If I were him, I'd "Reserve the right to refuse service to anyone", but he's a better man than I.
Your agenda is well known, Steve. You are helping TRL more than you know ... :)
Good day!
Jack
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Moderators: Thank you for allowing me to post MY side of the story. I will do my best to remain civil and respectful of others from here on out, as long as they do the same.
TRL Family: I apologize that I had to bring much of this information in a public forum, but fair is fair. Things got a little out of hand. Nothing that anyone else says will sway my first hand experience with my TRL modified products. As Audioezra has said, "... greatness is greatness". And,he should know, since he has one of the best reference systems in the World, if not the best. And, like me, over 30 years in the hobby. I hope to make it out to Chicago sometime, Ezra.
Lkdog: Hopefully you will still feel comfortable dropping in and sharing your opinion.
711smilin: I'm sorry that I had to be so blunt with you, but you have seriously flamed two people whom are my friends. Hopefully, we can keep it civil from here out. :) |
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I suggest that you read my post at Audio Asylum's Hi-Rez forum http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/hirez/messages/210789.html To quote Lkdog ... I really do not understand why APL has an obsession with TRL, and continues on this transparent campaign to try and discredit TRL. No one is fooled by these tactics, but they certainly speak volumes about the participants and APL. You guys really need to move on. Best wishes, Jack :) |
