Trans Fi Salvation direct rim drive turntable


Hi A'goners, I've just bought this turntable, confident it'll be my last upgrade. The rest of my system is a Tom Evans Groove Plus SRX phono stage, EMM Labs CDSA SE cd player, Hovland HP200 pre/Radia power amps, Zu Definitions Mk 4 loudspeakers, so a pretty good way to listen to vinyl.

Over the years, since 1995 I've progressed from a Roksan Xerxes/Artemiz/Shiraz, via a Michell Orbe/SME V/Transfiguration Orpheus, finally ending up last week with my new Trans Fi Salvation/Trans Fi T3Pro Terminator/Zu modded Denon 103.

This turntable (£2500 UK price, approx $4000-$5000 US) is the brainchild of Vic, a retired dentist, who, fed up with the shortcomings of belt drive and traditionally-pivoted tone arms, literally from the ground up devised first the Terminator air bearing linear tracking tone arm (now in T3Pro guise as on my system), and now the direct rim drive Salvation turntable, a technology in direct opposition to the hegemony of belt drive we've come to accept from the '70s.

In summary, he has developed a motor that directly rim drives an oversize platter. The magic is that vibrations are drained away from the platter and hence stylus. So minimal rumble is transmitted, the weakness of Garrards/Lencos in the past. This is mated to a substantial slate plinth which does a great job of isolating the whole rig from external vibrations.

Where this differs from direct drive is that the torque applied is high enough to counteract stylus drag, but it is strictly analogue controlled ie no digital feedback applying constant micro speed control. Speed is set correctly, torque is sufficient, and speed stability is like a rock.

This is combined with his air bearing linear tracking arm, discussed on other threads.

So technical description over, how about how it sounds? Well, years ago I always assumed the overhang in bass when playing lps on my previous belt drive/pivoted arm tts, apparent as a benign artifact, was all part of the 'romance' of vinyl, esp. when compared to the dry, clinical sound of early cd. But in 2007 I acquired the EMM cd, which had a natural analogue sound playing silver discs, but none of this bass colouration. On studying the growing reemergence of idler/direct drive, and their superiority in maintaining speed stability, I agreed that the belt speed instability might be introducing this.

Two years ago I came across Vic, and now I can report that eliminating the belt for high torque rim drive has taken this whole artifact out of the equation. Whole layers of previously masked information like rhythm guitars are now present, treble information has abundant naturalness and decay, and bass, which appears to be less in quantity compared to belt, is actually more accurate with a real start-stop quality, much more like digital, and the real thing. The other positives are more linked to the arm, including uncanny tracking across the whole record side; I'm really not exaggerating in saying that the last few grooves at the end of an lp side are as solidly reproduced as the first. Music with strong dynamic contrasts are really served well by the Salvation, and I am shocked at how good this all is after trepidation that the sound might be hyperdetailed but too assertive etc. In fact music is reproduced with a relaxed incision, and a welcoming detailed transparency.

The amazing thing is that all of this is not in anyway at the expense of the natural warmth and tonal dimensionality that still puts vinyl way ahead of any digital (imho).

The only thing, and Vic would like this to be known, is that his creation is a cottage industry, and he can only produce limited numbers to order.

I'm happy to answer qs on it, as I really want our community to know about a possible world beating product at real world prices. My tech knowledge will be limited, but no problem discussing sound quality issues.

I'm not affiliated in anyway to the product, just sold my Orbe on ebay and bought this. Regards to all
spiritofmusic

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Harold, please be REALLY careful installing the mag lev feet, pref. have someone helping you. The rare earth magnets are v. powerful, and there is a real tendency for a bit of a fight until you fully engage the magnets and footers in place, esp. w/3 feet to be installed. That second person would be there to help stabilise the tt as you attempt each foot.
Once installed you'll be in for a bit of a change. For me, things were pretty rough sounding, v. harsh indeed, until I realised I'd knocked a lot of levels out in the install, and in effect set up had to happen from scratch. This means esp re levelling the whole tt via the new feet, and re levelling the Terminator gantry, and prob looking at vtf/azimuth again.
Once I got that little lot sorted, the sound transformed from rough'n'ready to even more sophisticated than before. Bass is the big impvt, a real cleaning of hash and revelation of "true" bass, tot non-euphonic, supremely agile, w/kick drum really delineated but no fat.
This leads to a de cluttering of the mid range and a freeing up of treble, the soundstage expanded in all directions. NOT subtle.
It'll be worth the wait - if you ever return from that parallel dimension: you know, the one where punk never happened and prog lp's are still spanned by millions, 24/7 on tt's across the world, a la 1973!
Installing the mag feet has been a MASSIVE step fwd - I really do feel I'd have to spend 5x the budget of my Salvation/Terminator/Straingauge to outperform it.
The mag feet, maybe even more than the magnetic bearing, is bringing a massive sense of calm to proceedings, really allowing micro dynamic shadings to emerge, and allow the true bass character of the rig to shine.
Sgunther, at £120 for the 3 mag feet, it's a no brainer. The only issue I'd be wary of is if your system tends twds over brightness/thinness, this might be exaggerated. In a more neutral or warmer sounding system, the SQ impvts are substantial.
Lewm, thanx. There's too much sensitivity on forum boards and social media generally, we can all be too protective/defensive over comments construed as criticism. Will rein the hyperbole in, but the mag feet have definitely improved what is already a giant killing package.
Dover, don't worry too much about lack of continuity using the mag feet. Any movement via the feet is microscopic, this is just a way to minimise the travel of vibrations up into the tt. I'm actually considering running the motor pod on Symposium Acoustics Rollerblocks HDSEs, which will addd ANOTHER possible layer of discontinuity. Btw, the Salvation is a direct rim drive, not belt drive, and as such may be better able to cope w/this kind of isolation/discontinuity.
SGunther, the mag lev feet are a no brainer, the only caveat being they may make a thin strident sounding system too edgy. Normal tonal balance or even an overly-warm sound will really be perfect. I've come to the conclusion after a rocky start, that the feet beat the mag lev platter re impvts wrought, no mean feat (feet? LOL).
Re lp clamp, Vic is adamant NO NO NO! The ResoMat in effect leaves the lp supported on points, and any overly-heavy clamp will bow the lp down at it's centre, causing a concave dishing, and a lifting of the outer edge.
Maybe a v. light clamp that doesn't weigh down the lp, but to increase solidity of contact w/the points on the mat, might work. And poss a periphery ring, but again really not too heavy (i.e. avoid like the plague the ultra heavywt TTWeights stuff).
Vic really believes, contrary to pretty much every other tt designer, that vibrations are dealt w/more effectively by minimal securing of the vinyl structure, akin to letting the lp "breathe" while it's playing.
Edgy and revealing can seem v.similar in character. One can have a v. edgy sounding system w/ or w/out detail present. The mag feet will reveal at lot more detail, but I have an issue w/uber resolution in edgy systems, where the sum total is totally uninviting.
Eg Vic's home system incls a digital T amp, open baffle Bastani spkrs, and impressive as the detail resolution is, the edge of your seat presentation I find totally fatiguing and nerve shredding.
It MIGHT be that in a similar uber energetic/revealing rig the feet may push the balance further into nerve jangling territory.
John, this isn't going to wk for me since I'm running a Soundsmith Straingauge cart. But I am happy to hear Vic's current setup, I'm sure it's really sweet.
Sgunther, concur w/you, the mag feet are stupendous, in some ways more radical than the mag bearing. Re the stridency I initially heard, I'm not sure what that was all about, but everything is just excellent sounding now.
O'moon, that was my fear too, but the arm has proved to be v.fuss-free. It takes a bit of finegling to sound of it's best, but from that point is pretty much play and forget.
I believe the arm is the biggest bargain in the high end, analog or otherwise.

Have been running top factory spec Soundsmith Straingauge cart, twin bespoke Peter Downs Design psus to Straingauge and Salvation motor, and a whole string of mods, from bespoke Al arm mount to Terminator air linear tracker, nylon unipivot points, Klei Silver Harmony RCA plugs to tonearm wire, Symposium Svelte pad under motor pod, and the crowning glory, a Stacore Advanced pneumatic platform as support.
This analog front end is now a fearsomely impressive performer, with no apparent weaknesses, and some real performance attributes that shame some tt front ends at multiples of the price.
Have gone all out to create my dream analog front end.
Salvation tt now on Stacore Advanced 95kg passive pneumatic isolation platform.
Rim drive pod now on Symposium Acoustics Svelte isolation pad.
Rim drive speed controller now powered by bespoke R-core transformer psu.
Salvation w mag lev bearing and tt feet.
Terminator air arm pump powered by 3kVA balanced transformer isolated from grid to main system.
Bespoke Al arm mount to Terminator.
New nylon unipivot points to Terminator.
T3Pro armwand upgrade to Terminator.
Upgraded Klei Silver Harmony RCA jacks to Terminator one-piece tonearm wire.
Soundsmith Straingauge cart now upgraded to top spec SDS-7 stylus profile.
Bespoke overspecced R-core transformer psu to Straingauge energiser.
New IC chip to energiser.
SR Black fuses and Sablon Elite pwr cords to Salvation and Straingauge psus.
RollerBlocks on Symposium Acoustics platform under psus and energiser.

Im now maintaining all the rhythmic drive and speed that my rig was exemplary at, with a new found revelation of texture, air, transparency, imaging, and especially genuine tone and authentic timbre.
Now I can have the best of both worlds, the positives that the best idlers/rim drives are lauded for, with a healthy dose of what the best belt drives bring to the party.

Hi Noromance, I had a big delay in reinstalling my analog as I first got my dedicated listening space built, and second, accidentally tripped my Straingauge necessitating a 4 month repair delay.

Ive always known the stock psus on the Salvation tt speed controller and Straingauge energiser were able to be bettered, and while these psus were being built by Peter Downs at www.alternativeaudio.co.uk, it was also possible to get Trans Fi Audio designer Vic to update the unipivot points and other odds and ends.
Also an enthusiast Salvation/Terminator user was proposing a bespoke Al arm mount, so at this point I thought let’s keep going LOL.
The biggest masterstroke was coming across the Stacore pneumatic/slate mass loaded passive isolation platform.
And another lot of smaller changes.
All the while Peter Lederman did his magic upping my Straingauge to top factory spec.

Ive in effect now spent 3x my original outlay, but I have a pretty stellar performer that really punches above its weight and sounds unique to me in lots of ways.

It is true the Salvation and Terminator are both discontinued, a real shame and loss to the analog world.
Noromance, I love my valves too (running Nat Audio Utopia pre and 70W 211s SE2SE monos), but I feel I’m missing nothing w the SS Straingauge.

It can lack warmth w the stock DC 24V wall warts, but using my Peter Downs bespoke psu to the cart energiser has endowed the Straingauge w an amazing natural warmth, generous texture, supple bass, neutral mids, clear extended treble, indeed all the things I hear in the best tubed phono stages.