townsend rock reference mkv


one of the most regrettable things i EVER did was sell my origional rock reference tt
for about 5 years i have tried to replace that tt only to find they sell used like hotcakes.
finally there is A new mk5 version availiable
has anybody tried this yet?
I heard one today and was shell shocked as to how good this deck actually is
a home demo has been booked
this is without doubt the quietest tt i have ever heard
and yet it delivers!!!!
my wife is going to kill me!
all the best
terry
uktel

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I was for a short while Max Townsend's distributor for the USA. His revolutionary new turntables (in 1985/6/7) were the Rock and Elite Rock turntables. I still have 2 of these models, one with the Excalibur tonearm and one with a couple of mounting boards for whatever tonearms I happen to feel is well-matched to a currently favored cartridge. Max didn't actually sell me the 3 turntables I got from him, he traded the turntables to me for loudspeakers I designed for him.

I was for a while in the 80s the chief loudspeaker engineer and a system designer for Buena Vista during the design and/or building of EPCOT, Tokyo Disneyland, the MGM Studio Tour and EuroDisneyland. My development as an audio engineer started during a time when I made my first acquaintance with Ed Meitner, while Ed worked for the Celestron distributor in Montreal and I worked with Al Leccese (now of Audio Analyst). Along the road I learned from people like Nelson Pass (still have 2 of his terrific electronic crossovers), Poul Ladegaard of B&K Instruments and John Beyer of B&K Components (who I still regard as a friend, though we can't seem to get a good time to play golf arranged). Other turntable makers loaned me their products, but none seemed to sound as musical as the Rock.

Max was/is very fussy about making exceptional turntables and in comparisons with every other turntable using a non-tangential arm, the Rocks always sounded best. I always liked the EMT 927 and 950 turntables, Goldmunds, a few of the Japanese tangential arm turntables, and the Micro Seikis but if you have the chance to audition and/or buy a Rock from either the first few years Max made them or one of the last 2 series, don't worry about what you are spending, just buy it and marvel at the music. If you ever need money at a later date you'll usually recover your initial investment by selling (sadly) your Rock. Models like the MkII and MkIII are also very good, but cost should be measured vs performance.

It's difficult to describe the "sound" of the Rocks since the cartridge is always going to be much more variable and most loudspeakers are not the audio microscopes they should be (ruthlessly revealing the flaws of the "front end" while transmitting all of the beauty in the source that is possible). Amplifiers can be "less than transparent" also. Sadly each new post-WWII development in sources has seemed to be a step down. Quality commercially made 7 1/2 IPS 1:1 2 track tape copies of masters were better than vinyl, and vinyl was better than cassettes and cassettes were better than CDs (except for SACDs which are as good as vinyl), which are all vastly superior to even the best MP3s.

Almost no digitally recorded music sounds good to me (I'm a million years old but last year I still max'd out the 19khz audiology tests previous to neck surgery) and once studios decided that a sampling rate of less than 100Khz was acceptable (there were 3M digital recorders in 1983 that would record at more than 110khz, but they weren't "economical" enough for the industry), post-1990s musical recordings went downhill pretty fast. I can listen to music recorded after 1990 the same way I listen to 78s. Quality music might be there if I listen through all the distortion and noises, but I'd rather the distortions and noises weren't there.

Home theater has ruined what was once a progressive audio industry. I applaud the continuing efforts of Martin Logan, John Beyer, Dan D'Agostino, Nelson Pass, Max Townsend, Dynavector, Ortofon, VdH and a few others to produce high quality transducers and playback equipment needed to get exceptional music out to consumers.

I'm lucky that I have a library full of the safety back-up tapes made when 2 track masters were produced from final mixdowns, as well as a number of live recordings made off the mixing console during concert tours. This gives me a reasonable standard of reference. It is Possible to put together a decent playback system now-a-days. But great source material is harder to come by as vinyl becomes more scarce. Considering how costly used records are, and their limited availability, I'm surprised people still try to build record collections at all.

Good luck to all of you building vinyl record collections and especially to those of you who have the sense to invest in a Rock turntable. I haven't spoken to Max Townsend in 20 years and I have no affiliation to him or his current enterprise, but from my own experience and the experiences of a few friends who have auditioned his latest products, a Rock turntable is still an investment for a lifetime. The 2 I have are about 20 years old and still work very well.
Uktel, one of the great things about the early Elite Rock was that the brass accordian isolators could be tuned by the owner (it wasn't simple but Max showed me how). I don't know if he just didn't want people fussing with the dampers but he didn't retain that feature.

This Rock TT may be your last (I've had mine for 20 years), but since every cartridge "step-up" is audible on these TTs you can keep upgrading there. I have found that while some of my linear arm TTs get superior results out of certain cartridges, the more a cartridge design is aimed at having higher compliance, the better it can sound on a Rock. Also there are some cartridges with what I call "resonant tonearm interaction" and the Rock eliminates that. So some cartridges that don't perform well in any other circumstance, can sound stupendous on the Rocks.

The Rocks are so neutral sounding that they make a great test reference TT. While you might find another TT - Arm combo that serendipitously sounds slightly better, 95% of the time, the sound you will get out of a well set-up Rock will be the best a cartridge and arm are able to produce. Rocks are messy (especially if your house is dusty or has allot of natural air from the outside circulating through), but a Rock TT can reduce the brittleness of most MC cartridges and it will eliminate the excessive bass of a MM cartridge. Matched to any high quality, Line Contact Stylus cartridge the results will be jaw dropping. AND the "steady hand" provided by the silicone bath, will make all your styli and records last longer. It's a win - win - win situation.
Uktel I have tried the Decca International Unipivot and the Ultracraft unipivot arms on my Rocks with mixed results. They seem to require tweaking with every single record.

The Decca is the worst because since each record is a hair's thickness different in thickness, the arm tilts over a bit on each different size. The tilt is not consistant, it either goes one way or the other. Also the arm-lift is useless. I have tried to use a variety of relatively high tracking force cartridges in this arm (Deccas, Dynavector 20A & 20B, Fidelity Research FR 1, Linn Klyde) because these were the only ones I could play at all in the Decca arm. When they did line up straight, the sound was incredibly good and super smooth. I just wasn't sure I wanted to spend 25 minutes setting up a cartridge/tonearm every time I wanted to play a 20 minute album.

The Ultracraft was different. A few lifts up and down by hand and it would eventually track straight up-and-down. But the heavy tracking cartridges all sounded average in the arm. I used it only for very compliant cartridges and for these it sounded like heaven. The bass stopped being boomy, and got very clear and extended. The highs got greater clarity and more extension sparkle. The problem here is that we have effectively eliminated being able to use any MC or Decca cartridge with the Ultracraft arm.

I did have some remarkable success with a Dynavector 10x (the original one) when Max visited my house to help me set up a Rock Elite for a Consumer Electronics Show. I also put a Fidelity Research FR 44 into it and it was so pure and dreamy that I never wanted to take it out, but I had to take it out to set up a Madrigal Carnegie (which didn't sound any better than in one of my straight line tonearms) and I never got around to putting the Fidelity Research cartridge back because I had changed tonearms by then. I only have a few tonearm mount boards for my Rock that can use any arm. The other Rock I have is dedicated to an Excalibur arm.

So it's a mixed bag of results. I gave up when unipivots only worked about 30% of the time in the Rock system. I did find that extra heavy rear pivot damping worked best to counterbalance the extremely high damping at the cartridge end. Otherwise the tonearms just seem to ooze over towards one side or the other although I've seen some tweakers who have rigged up outboard offset balance weights they can tweak for each lift-and-drop of their tonearms, but now we are getting way too involved for me. I like a tonearm I can play through records 20 or 30 times before it needs any tweaking, but that's just me.

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Uktel, maybe the offset mini-counterweight idea is work-able for you. I've never tried a Graham arm on the Rocks I have so I didn't have an immediate comment but I checked my notebook and made another post about this subject. What cartridge is working so well in your current Graham/Rock set-up and what tracking force are you using? Good luck