Torture test for a TT rig!

Dear @mglik  : Are you using the tonearm tray silicon damping?

Btw, when will arrives the Lyra cartridge?

R.

Dear @mijostyn :  Can you read? because I posted:

""  I posted all those not to open a new thread window. ""


 As always you are baised with your way of thinking and no other " thing " coming from other persons are not good for you and  not even give its importance .

"   I am afraid there is no hope for you. "

Sorry but It's the other way around. Problem with you is that just  do not make your " home work " :

""  I assumed the OP was using the correct VTF, bad assumption. ""

So go with the OP and tell him that change his arm for one with 40grs. of EM or that add 30grs. at the headshell position .

Btw, the OP is waiting for the top of the line Lyra cartridge.

You are not stupid ( as other two persons that posted here. ) so you can learn, there is always hope for you. Sincerely, Me.

R.

Dear @mijostyn : Even that the mglik trouble already fixed and not because I was rigth I want to comment that it’s not true what you posted because even you all have a misunderstood in the overall issue ( for say the least because the word is: all are wrong. ).

""" Both lewm, atmasphere and Chakster are correct. You have to add mass to get the resonance frequency down to 8 Hz. ""

The best test recordings to fix cartridge/tonearm mistracking are the ones where the owner has the problem of mistracking ( not only the Telarc 1812. ).
A professional test LP can’t gives me the solution can’t fix the problem neither the LPs where the mistracking is happening. So who cares of a test LP to fix the mistracking problem?

Lewm said to add 5gr.-10grs. and what happens when with that cartridge/tonearm combination we adds those weigth values: almost nothing because from 12hz ( that’s inside the ideal range. ) " thing " goes to 11hz and this change nothing about mistraking but your advise is even worst because with that cartridge for achieve 8hz ( as you said. ) you need a tonearm with 40grs. of EM and even that you can’t be sure that that Shilabe can track with out problem because the problem was not there.

The other advise is wrong too for the same reason because the counterweigth in a tonearm even that we positioned it far away from the pivot the resonance frequency will change from 12hz to 11.8hz and additional to that this goes against the tracking of any cartridge because the best position for a counterweigth tonearm ( no matters what. ) always must be at the nearest to the pivot we can make the set up.

It’s way more easy for the tonearm to control de vertical/horizontal extremely fast movements when the counterweigth is at " the pivot " that far away from it. Not only JC posted years ago but tonearms manufacturers and professional analog reviewers too. Different tonearm weigth counterweigths are not for change the effective tonearm mass but to try that the choosed counterweigth stays nearer to the tonearm pivot.

I posted all those not to open a new thread window but only to share my " findings " to other gentlemans that even that do not posted here are reading the thread.

Of course that I can be wrong but this is not the subject.

At the end the important issue for the OP is that rigth now he is enjoying his Shilabe one.

R.

Dear @mglik  : Good to know it, enjoy it.

R.

Dear @mglik : This is the information from your cartridge manufacturer site:


"" Product name Stereo cartridge -Shilabe- Impedance About 16 ohms (About 0.23mV output) Frequency range (-3dB) 20 Hz to 32 kHz Tracking force 3.0 g Stylus Shape nude Shibata diamond stylus Compliance (10Hz) around 8×10-6cm/dyne Appropriate temperature 20-30 Celsius (most suitable 25 C) 68-86 Fahrenheit (most suitable 77 F) Weight about 9.7g Body African Blackwood ""

and from M.Fremer review:

https://www.stereophile.com/content/miyajima-shilabe-phono-cartridge-specifications

he said: 2.5grs-3.2grs.

From where you get that the rigth VTF is 2.3grs. Other Miyajiima models tracks at 2.3grs as manufacturer specs but not yours.

Again, with this very special cartridges the best is to follow the manufacturer spec that’s 3.0grs not what you have. In my first statement in what I posted before you can read about the manufacturer spec: 3.0grs and in my last statement in that same post you can read: 3.2grs as alternative for VTF. 

Now, you are the cartridge owner and maybe you have a different manufacturer recomendation, I don’t know.

Btw, if you stated that " The recommended is 2.3. "" why theset up is at 2.5g.

Somewhere something is wrong or some one is wrong about the rigth cartridge VTF value. Could you explain or put some ligth in this mix-up??
Thank’s.

R.

Dear @mglik : I hope the Shilabe already had at least 100 hours of playing time and that you are running it at the manufacturer VTF spec of 3.0grs.
The resonance frequency it is inside the limits 8hz-12hz.

Telarc 1812 is a great recording ( and not for the cannon shots. ) and a real test for any audio system. Exist combinations of cartridge/tonearms that can track all the cannon shots and not only high compliance cartridges. Some combinations can track 8-9 of those cannon shots. Obviously that a combination than can track all the recording with no " trouble " tells you that can track everything and this says that that those cartridges can pick up more recorded information in any LP.

What disturbing to me a little is :

"" I am getting “clipping-like” distortion. Especially on the fuller tones of a singer. "

That seems as a mistracking. Please do the next test:

set the VTF to zero, set no antiskate and don't use the damping silicon tray and put the cartridge/arm ( that’s in horizontal equilibrium. ) at the middle and , at this position the cartridge/tonearm must stay in that position with out any movement after this do the same nearer the inner LP grooves and things must be the same: dead " there ".

If in those tests the tonearm is steady then play again not only the 1812 but the LPs where you detected that kind of mistracking in the singer. Do these with out and with antiskating and with tray damping and with out it and clean the stylus tip ans LP before play it.

If things does not change probably exist a " trouble " in the cartridge suspension or its stylus tip.

If in the back tests ( no VTF/AS. ) exist a minimum movement then exist a " trouble " with the tonearm.

Not been with you is dificult to be very precise in our opinions. You have to check about what some of us posted . Even if after all those tests try again with 3.2grs. on VTF.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTORTIONS,
R.