Too Many Tubes?


More as a thought experiment than as a description of an actual problem that may or may not exist...

Has anyone ever considred if there might be a problem with too many tubes in a given system? How many tubes is too many, and what might be some issues that could have a detrimental effect on system sound quality?

What do I mean by too many tubes?
1- too many physical tubes (by quantity). Consider an example where you have (let's say) 20 or more physical tubes distributed in your power amp, pre-amp, phono stage and DAC. Besides the obvious potential issues with heat and the cost of rolling and replacing so many tubes, what are the disadvantages (if any) of utilizing so many tubes?

2- Same question, but this time the concern is not the physical number of tubes but the variety of tube types used in a given system. Can anyone make an argument against (or for) using a large variety of tube types in a single system?

For years I used a system with a SS amp (Krell, then McCormack) and ARC tube pre and phono stage. The ARC gear used the same 6922 tubes, and it there was a well-defined (not necessarily great) sonic signature. It was also very easy to tell when a given tube was microphonic or going bad.

Lately, I have been swapping a lot of new (to me) used gear in and out, and the all-tube setups have varied from SET to integrated tube amps w/ phono to all CJ tube seperates. All good... well, mostly, but I have noticed that in the setups with many tubes and/or many tube types it is can be hard to pick out the characteristics of a single tube or tube type. I am not saying that that is good or bad - it just is what it is.

Comments?
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Showing 1 response by albertporter

Until recently my system required more than 100 tubes to operate and I never had any problems figuring out when something was wrong. Then again, I've used tubes for many years and know what to listen for.

Tubes have a job, just like transistors do. Depending on what you like you can't have "too many" of either.

A good example? Listen to Les Paul or Louis Armstrong where the entire recording from microphone to LP is all tubes, not much to complain about and some of those recordings are half a century old. By comparison some modern stuff is dreadful.

You also ask about variety of tubes in a system. I don't look at it that way, I choose equipment for it's performance and if the tubes chosen can be tweaked by substituting something better (like NOS), I will do so.

but I have noticed that in the setups with many tubes and/or many tube types it is can be hard to pick out the characteristics of a single tube or tube type. I am not saying that that is good or bad - it just is what it is.

I can't do this in an unknown system, but I can hear and remember what each tube does in my system, from input on my amps to rectifiers in my phono. It does take a lot of time and listening but after awhile I can make a cable, footer or phono cartridge change and discuss with others in my group what might be changed (tubes and otherwise) to make it more right.