Tonearms: Ripoff?


If you search for tonearm recommendations you'll find an overwhelming amount of praise for $1k and less products. Audiomods and Jelco are the two most mentioned.

The Audiomods is just some guy making Rega-based tonearms in a workshop. Just some guy is putting out tonearms that compete with tonearms that cost many times the price -- from the likes of SME, Clearaudio, VPI, Graham, etc.

So the question is -- are tonearms just a scam? How is it that everyone loves Audiomods and Jelco to death and never talks about / dismisses high end tonearms? Is it because there's no real difference between one of these low-cost tonearms and the high end ones? Is an Audiomods Series V ** really ** the equivalent of a SME V? Some guy in a workshop equals the famed precision of SME? Is that once you have the math and materials worked out all tonearms are essentially the same? Or is it that most owners of record players online are dumpster-diving for vintage gear and simply can't afford to listen to better?

So, what's going on?
madavid0

Showing 3 responses by edgewear

Surely this is getting a bit out of hand, doesn't it? We all know there is a group of people with excessive wealth and in our current economic system this can only go in one direction: further up.
So what do you do when you already have a dozen houses around the globe, a few yachts to play with, a bunch of cars, watches, should I continue?

Somewhere down the line of such trophies comes our precious little hobby. Even when only a very small portion of the global 1% takes a fancy to high end audio, there is still big money to be made. Which explains the existence of 10k+ cartridges, 100k+ turntables, etc. Audio designers are just like normal people with mortgages to pay, so if there's a market for such items, they will produce it.

Does this make such products rip offs? Not necessarily. There are serious and talented audio designers who have welcomed this market as a unique opportunity to work with a budget that will allow them to push the bounderies of technology and performance (and still make a nice profit). Other designers may consider this to be objectional (or even distasteful) and choose to focus their talents on making high performance products at reasonable prices for regular folks. Some do both.

But as in every market there are also likely to be fraudulent types who will step into this 'trophy' market, stick a silly price tag on some fancy looking mediocre product and hope to make a handsome profit by selling it to some ignorant with money to burn. That would certainly qualify as a rip off, but why should we care?



Finally, the two 'rip off' threads have joined forces. Now the ugly truth can be revealed. Huh? Well, it seems that judgement calls about the 'value' of tonearms and MC cartridges as isolated items are not very useful. The synergy between tonearm and cartridge (or lack thereof) can be 'make or break', so perhaps we should view them as 'one component' within the system.

For all sorts of reasons I don't like 'ranking order lists', but might make an exception for a list of the best 'tonearm / cartridge combinations'. I don't think this has ever been tried, but with all the experience on this forum it could actually be pulled off. It would provide useful information for anyone starting out on this journey and prevent the sort of mistakes that fuel those useless 'rip off' debates.

We should probably start the easy way by listing combinations from one brand or designer, which would suggest that the synergy has been conciously built into them. There were 'made for each other'. Some obvious examples are:
Ortofon RM-309 + Ortofon SPU series
EMT 997 + EMT TSD-15
Fidelity Research FR-64S + Fidelity Research FR-7 series

I only have personal experience with the FR synergy, which is most certainly there. But I assume the other combinations have something similar going for them. I'm only a beginner at this 'cart rolling', but I can already mention three example that I've stumbled on by chance. Of course these are the most exciting discoveries:
Audiocraft AC-4400 + Ortofon MC-5000
Pioneer PL-70L II tonearm + Sony XL-44
Fidelity Research FR-64fx + Phasemation P-3G

Most of these combinations are considered 'vintage' and none of them are anywhere near the 'trophy' (or 'rip off') price category. But in my system on the same turntable they can easily compete with the one combination I use as 'reference' and which does sort of belong to that category: Reed 3P tonearm + vdHul Colibri XPW Blackwood (combined retail price around 10k).

It seems that the 'trophies' are in truth hidden in the search to find the right combinations. From a hobbyist perspective this is a great deal more fun that dropping 10 big ones in the blind and hoping to find audiophile redemption. But of course no individual can try out every possible combination. This is what crowd based platforms are made for, so let's put those 'big data' to some good use.

@daveyf 
Would such a list of tonearm / cartridge combinations put an end to your nightmare?

@daveyf 
Of course you're right and it's not just the subjective priorities of the listener (aka as 'taste'). We also have to account for the synergy (or not) with the turntable and the rest of the system. Not to mention the system / room interface. No, I'm not suggesting there's an easy way out of your nightmare......

But at least we would no longer have to put up with the bias of reviewers, who are part of the system we want to change. Obviously we would have to accept ownership bias from the people reporting on their experiences. But the more input from different people you gather on the same tonearm/cartridge combinations, the more dependable the outcome might become. A Wikipedia of sorts....

It won't solve everything of course. Think about the Denon DL-103, generally acknowledged as a 'classic'. All those fans can't be wrong, right? So out of curiosity I bought one (a $250 cartridge will allow this) and tried it in all my tonearms as well as a variety of headshells (hadn't mentioned those yet). Whatever I tried, it sounded horrible in every combination. Sometimes you can polish all you want, but a turd is still a turd.....