Tonearm/Cart Matching Assistance - SAEC 407/23


Has anyone used this tonearm? Can you tell me whether it is suitable for high/medium/low compliance cartridges?
Thanks, Travis
t_bone

Showing 6 responses by rauliruegas

@harpo75  : The knifge type of tonearm bearing " tend " to rattle.

Yes, you are rigth because japanese audiophiles loved the SAEC tonearms, its reality is that are a beauty toour eyes.I owned those 3 models from new that I bougth in LA ( Ilive in Mèxico city. ) Japanese Stereo importer that was if I remember in Wilsher Blvd.

Well,If you still own the EPA-100 this is very good option for your MK4 great cartridge performer.

 

R.

 

@harpo75 : The Warning because he puts that way comes in the operation manual of the SMC 10 LOMC designed by Dr. Sao Win. That cartridge came from 2018 and Dr. Win manufactured too a Srain Gauge cartridge and TT too.

I sold my sample and I don't have any more the manual. By coincidence SME changed from knife/ball historical bearings to ABEC9 gimball in its SME V and you can be sure that did it for good reasons.

Thak’s lewm.

 

R.

@harpo75  : It's really weird SAEC tonearms ( at least the 407/506/8000 ) that were made with an exceptional quality building levels choosed knife bearing, unfortunated for say the least.

 

R.

Dear @harpo75 : The 205CMK4 is a superb quality level performer ( I owned. ) its compliance at 10hz ( not 100hz as japanese specified. ) is around 19cu that made it a border high compliance cartridge.

In those times I owned around 20 tonearms ( mainly japanese ) 3 SAEC in between and were not good enough for the Technics top MM/MC cartridges even with out the beautiful made and way resonant ceramic headshell.

Btw, Dr. Sa Win said in his operation manual, well in reality you can read as an Alert: please don't mount the cartridge in knife bearing tonearms and the SAEC is double knife. I owned the Sao Win LOMC cartridge, very good too but not in the SAEC.

Regards and enjoy the MUSIC NOT DISTOTIONS,

R.

Dear travis: I own/owned SAEC tonearms, last ones the 506-30 and WE-8000. The 506 is similar in many ways to the 407, where the 407 is a short version and the 506 a long one between other " differences ".

I have the opportunity to mount several and different compliance/weight cartridges, between them: Ortofon 7500 ( 11grs and 13cu. ), Koetsu RSP ( 14grs and 10cu ), XV-1s ( 13grs and 12cu ), Accuphase ( 8 grs and 12cu ), Ikeda REX9 ( 16grs and 4cu ), Ortofon MC2000 ( 10 grs and 18-20cu ). No one of these cartridges and other ones that I try with the 506-30 performs bad, some of them are not the best match ( effective mass/compliane ) but performs good.
These SAEC double-knife bearing design are really good and its ceramic build headshell help in good way to permit that different cartridges can/could run ok.

I don't know with which cartridges do you want to try it but the best answer is what you will hear with those cartridges.

About VTF there is no precise limit, this depends on the headshell/cartridge weight ( the headshell is 18grs. ) and how much you have to carry the counterweight to the pivot for balance it and from there how much space leave forward to the counterweight. Of course that you can try it with different headshell weight to change ( lower ) its effective mass trying to get a better cartridge match. Very good tonearm indeed.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.
Dear Antslappy: About the anti-skate: first you put the tonearm at the very outside of the record/LP position, then put the sting weight in the anti-skate " bayonet " ( that has a nut to tight it: turn-around counter-clockwise. ) at the desire value and finally you move forward/backward the bayonet till the string make a 90 degrees with the AS scale, then turn-around the nut clock-wise and that's it.

The effective length is 233mm and overhang 12mm.

Regards and enjoy the music.
Raul.