To Tube or not to Tube......


For quite some time now I've been thinking about switching from a solid state to a tube power amp. My Threshold T-100 has been real good to me and I do like it, but it's really the only "high-end" amp I've ever owned, so it's all I know. I'm intrigued by the "warm" sound of tubes and do have a tubed phono amp and CD player, but I am by no means well-versed in the sound of tube power amps having never really auditioned one. I know that goes against the prevailing wisdom and I should listen before I buy, but I don't think I will have the luxury of doing that.

That being said, I've gone through about 20 pages of this forum reading about the benefits and detriments of tubed power amps but nothing I've read has swayed me either way. The posts I've read have been informative re: bias issues, reliability, blowing fuses or whatever else might blow up or go wrong with the tubs, etc. So, if I were to go the tube route, I would not want deal with too much of that hassle. At lease I know that the amp I have doesn't have any such issues. That's why I was leaning toward amps like BAT with their auto biasing (I also need balanced inputs), and would want at least 60-100 wpc. I would be willing to deal with adjusting bias so long as it was a relatively simple process.

I figured I would pose my main question to the exerts here (and this I did learn for this forum): given what I already have in my system, what tube amp would be a good match for me? My pre-amp is a SS Threshold, JM Lab speakers with a "minimum impedance of 4 Ohms," EAR 834P phono stage, & Unison tube cd player.
Much appreciated.
ebuzz

Showing 2 responses by bifwynne

Ebuzz, I am not saying anything crosswise to the comments above. But I do suggest you look at the OP currently running about tube amps and electrostats. You may find the comment from Ralph, Al and George to be informative. Also, I posted a link to an EPDR (a refined definition of impedance which takes into consideration phase angles) article, which is really helpful.

Here's some cheap advice which may cost some bucks. I'm a tube head -- ARC gear all-around. My former amp was an ARC VS-115 which was a really terrific amp -- 128 wpc into 8 ohms; 335 joule power supply. I used the VS-115 to drive Paradigm Signature 8 (v3) speakers, which I wouldn't describe as tube friendly.

I think the VS-115 was able to do a pretty good job driving the S8s because the amp had muscle in terms of watts and power supply. Plus the S8s have a 92 db sensitivity rating. My current amp is an ARC Ref 150. It definitely has the muscle (150 wpc into 8 ohms and 1040 joule power supply) to drive my wife nuts when I play Michael Jackson or the 1812 Overture. :)

Oh ... and I also use a sub-woofer to take some heat off the S8s and the amp.

So here's my cheap advice that is expensive. I don't think you're gonna find anyone out there to give you a speaker's EPDR rating. But ... at least try and look for bench test specs for the speaker you have or are looking at. You see impedance numbers that drop below 4 ohms over a wide low frequency bandwidth, some serious negative phase angles (more than -40 degrees) over the same bass region, and a low sensitivity rating (lower than mid to high 80 dbs), you'd better plan on getting a high power/high current SS beast.

It gets tough when you are looking at the "intermediate" speaker with moderate sensitivity ratings, impedance and phase angle specs. I think the EPDR article either expressly said, or at least implied, if not sure, get an amp with the most muscle you can afford. And that goes double with tubes, especially so with the amp's power supply specs, which is where the reserve power will come from when the 1812 cannons kick-in. :)

Bruce
Thank you Jedinite .... As I have mentioned on numerous occasions, I do not recommend brands because there are many fine brands to choose from on the market and subjective opinions and tastes vary. Indeed, sometimes folks have expressed their views and opinions quite dogmatically. I will only say that I am very pleased with the sound and performance of my ARC gear.

Having said that, it is important to reiterate that one should be circumspect about matching gear, especially amps and speakers. In this regard, I admit that my choice of amp and speakers was *NOT* the result of a conscious, deliberate and informed decision.

If you catch my posts over the last several years, it will be quite evident that I came to my current set-up through dumb luck and not much more. Fortunately, my ARC Ref 150, even though a tube amp, can handle my speakers, which were designed and voiced to be driven by a high power/current SS amp. That speaks more to the Ref 150 than me. :(

In addition, I think that there is much to be said about equipment synergy. In my case, I am not concerned about this issue because I chose to stay all ARC.

Happy Holidays to all,

Bruce