To Pre or not to Pre? Here is my take


I remember reading in many places that the best preamp was no preamp.
Finally in a position to test that theory
Equipment is Esoteric sa-50 player, audio research ls preamp, bat vk600 power amp.
So I let everything warm up for an hour or so and then played some Halestorm through the system, for anybody who is not familiar with Mz. Hale, she is similar to a smoother Bonnie Tyler with more range! Her band has some great bass guitar and drum work as well so a nice little workout.
After 5 or 6 tracks I changed over to powering the bat direct from the esoteric using the same cardas xlr interconnects.
It only took a couple of tracks to confirm
I just did not like this sound, bass was much thinner, soundstage not as wide, vocals not as smokey for want of a better description of Mz. Hales style.
Hooked the ls2 back and joy was restored!

What does this tell me?
That absolutely the ls preamp is adding its own sonic signature to the mix, in theory that equates to probably a more "dirty" sound but to me this was the sound I preferred.
Now obviously no 2 people listening to the same gear are going to hear the same thing, its impossible!
However playing MY music on MY gear the sound going through the ls2 preamp was the sound that I wanted to hear, end of story.
Oh trust me its not just value perception, I sort of WANTED the sound to be better without the ls2 preamp as I could have then sold it and spent the money elsewhere! 
I know there will be lots of people who can spout theories to prove I am full of it but the only judge of the sound of your own system worth worrying about is yourself!
uberwaltz

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Still getting better and better for very little dollars.
Now have fitted a Herbies tube damper cost $22 shipped and yes, another audible improvement.
Even more clarity and depth to vocals and wider soundstage.
If this carries on you will have me believing a fuse can actually make a difference I could hear.....lmao
Well nearly as good as buying a new pre and all just $35
Installed the Golden Lion tube today ( nice my pre only has one tube!)
To start it was awful but as the tube "broke in" somewhat the music unfolded and what music.
Very familiar tracks took on new life, wider soundstage, tighter bass lines and less chestiness to the vocals.
A change I can definitely hear and this is only 3 hours of run time on the tube!
Very happy camper......
Very Interesting products George, however it would have to be the balanced as I am using xlr and the bat only takes xlr input unless you buy the xlr to rca adapters
more food for thought....
The more and more I hear other peoples observations with ARC, the more I feel it is a pre I should never get rid of! Maybe upgrade it or even a newer ARC but for my ears this ARC tube sound just sounds well right for want of a better word.
To make it even more subjective, the preference may also depend on the type of music played through the system.

Exactly!
I listen to rock music only and just found the direct path too cold and sterile for my taste
I know I am listening to some type of sonic inferiority according to theory but tbh, I really do not care!
"There is no preamp which sounds as good as no preamp "

And that was my initial thoughts and point behind this post
But my ears with my system in my room and my music just tell me different, and at the end of the day what I LIKE the sound of is what counts whether it is technically incorrect or not.
So throw me into the corner with the other dunces who like dirty distorted sonics from their tube preamp!
And I agree with just about everybody here and appreicate them taking the time and trouble to comment as it helps my mindset somewhat.
I am fairly content with knowing that in my room, with my equipment listening to my music with my ears that my arc ls2 sounds good to me...lol
so much so that i have just bought a gold lion 6922 tube for it and will see how i like that sound, after all that was only $35...
happy listenings indeed!
Good to hear on the arc as i have had this one now for over 3 years and have yet to feel the desperate need to change...lol. But you know how that goes!
I was watching a bat vk31se on ebay as i thought it may make a good mate for the bat vk600 power amp. so will possibly give that a whirl if the price stays fair.
guess i will be content with knowing I am "colouring" my music regardless.
" Way too many variables in the audio chain to make a general conclusion. Results are completely system/cable dependent. Worth the experimentation nonetheless. "

I agree entirely, move my equipment to another room and the result could be entirely different. Or bring another set of ears in and they may hear it differently to myself.
Not trying to make a general conclusion, just stating my experience is all.

  "What is the relevance of this post ? Is this for anyone who happens to have exactly the same components and room to not use a esoteric as a preamp and use the arc ? OK Got it . Thanks "

Just to say that even though this shows to me that my pre is definitely adding something to the original signal which some would say is negative, but to my ears in my room and my music I prefer the sound

So maybe not everything that is technically incorrect is sonically incorrect to the individual listening.

But if you find this post of zero relevance feel free to pass........ its a free world......
#1/ For sure I know my room is terrible but it is what it is, due to space restrictions that is something I cannot change right now but will be changed in under 2 years when I move.

#2/ Interesting as I found just the opposite, running through the ls2 I used only a small amount of gain, running direct from the Esoteric I was at 80% of volume att for about same volume.
Your statement makes sense but my results do not??