Calloway, Friday or Saturday I should have mine up and running again. I got the Sander Magtech amp now. I have always been concerned that the H-Cat with a 100watts was just not enough power. I think 800 watts into 4 ohms per side should be enough. |
...THEY WON'T...they are that good...mine continue to get better every week..now ~ 150 hrs... |
I ordered a pair of the contriva. To arrive in a few months. Hopefully it won't disappoint me. |
I haven't seen my Contrivas in 3 months, but mine are just over 10' apart. I do this to avoid having them too close to my side walls. I sit at the same distance from both. They are toed in to intersect just behind my my ears which sounds just like Karelfd's solution.
The distance the Contrivas are from the side walls and from the back wall, I have found are critical to the bass response. I measure the distance from a point between the woofers and the floor and multiply it by 1.65 which can be the distance from the back wall to the face of the woofers or from the center of the woofers and the side walls. Whichever you use, the other distance is then 1.65 times that distance. |
Previous generation Contriva with ceramic tweeter: something like 20°-25°. Distance between the speakers is 2.9m, whereas each of the triangle's sides to my listening position is 3.4m. In aviation terms that's a "near miss" with my ears, the beams crossing just behind my head. |
contriva diacera owners....how much toe-in do you have in the position of your speakers...?...where are they pointing in relation to your head in your listening position...?..just curious.. |
....~ 50 hrs on the se's now...the soundstage has both widened and deepened and the music is more liquid sounding...the instrumental decay is amazing and the instrumental tonality is 'spot on'....the detail retrieval is also superb.....cannot believe how almost magical listening to music is now...i just thought it was great before...stay tune for the 100 hr report.. |
Colloway, congrats!
Would b interested to read your thoughts in a few weeks too. Often I marvel at the improvement after an upgrade and wonder whether this was it, only to upgrade again in a while. Is this euphoria or not? Suspect you will not know for sure for some time.
Still waiting to hear Piano in a few weeks.
Been reading about new speakers seem to be proliferating. |
..hard to believe it will get better...i now just listen to music..no ongoing thought process..just enjoyment..FINALLY..!! |
After 100 hours you will feel like it is a different speaker |
..my new contriva diacera-ses continue to evolve with better detail..a smoother presentation and tighter bass....i added a 'flow' pc to my meitner player which also improved the presentation and soundstage...i can't believe that they will continue to improve..i currently only have about 16 hrs on them...now i'm listening 'to the music' instead of listening 'for the music'.totally enjoyable. |
Great review!
I trust Marc! |
Marc Mickelson of The Audio Beat has done a review of the Tidal Contriva Diacera SEs that is right on the money relative to what I hear. It does discuss the use of the port plugs and the jumper plugs that motivate me to more experimentation with them than I have done.
He uses interconnects and other cabling as well as amps that I have no experience with, but his characterization of what he hears from them, closely parallels what I hear.
It is good that the former importer got this review. It is excellent. |
Awesome Calloway, please keep us posted on how the break-in goes!
Happy listening my friend
Mike |
...tbg..they are pointed straight ahead for the moment but i will be playing the toe-in-game over the next month or so to see what works best...my god they are great speakers.even if they didn't get any better i would be supremely happy but that they will is amazing... |
Calloway, great! You make me miss mine, which I will not get to hear until the end of Sept. What we do for love!
Oh! They will get better.
I assume that Doug chose to point them straight out? I have mine toed in to intersect just behind me.
Some packing, huh? |
...WOW !!!..i have had the contriva diacera-ses now for 4 days..doug white of 'thevoicethatis.com, came down to help me position them in the best location within my room and to say that the music is the best i have ever heard in my room would be a huge understatement.even with only ~ 8 hrs on them the sound is superb.i was a little worried about my entertainment center being between the speakers and my ability to pull them out far enough into the room to allow the bass and all other freqs to come alive but 'not to worry'..the tidals came through with flying colors...so far i have them pointed straight ahead and the sound is glorious but i am going to play with toe-in over the next few weeks to best assess their potential.if anyone else in this country is on the fence about buying a pair of tidals and is in the neighborhood....virginia...and would like to listen ..give me an email and you are more then welcome to come by and listen. i can't say enough about how much help doug was also in making this all happen...will update from time to time as to their maturing which will continue for about 4-6 months...i can't believe they can get better.... |
Just one of many great speakers!! |
hehe, finally Calloway! Please keep us posted!
Mike |
...i can beat that...' today or monday.... |
3 more weeks guys, 3 more weeks... |
So many expectant "fathers" waiting for they're children!!!!
I too have a long wait but in the end i can finally jump off this moving train called UPGRADING!
Like Chris Rock says, "the money isn't in the cure it's in the research!"
Translation:
If you like to constantly compare and disect , that is just probabely part of what makes hi end for you and that's fine! For me it is hearing all that the music offers...
Congratulations to all waiting for they're Tidal products!! |
Thank you all for your answers.
In Italy it is difficult to hear contrivas as the amp I Vitus Audio SS 101 (50 in Class A)
Is a good match for you?
PS my room is about 48 sqm. |
Ciro, I have been listening to the TADs for several years at CES, including last year when they had their new amps. They always have a big room and many visitors, but I have never liked them. I hear "wood" when I listen to them. I like the Pioneer stand alone and much cheaper speaker.
I never heard a speaker that rivaled what I heard last year at the RMAF and continue to hear in my home. Of course, everyone's tastes differ. |
Calloway, happy days are here. I am beginning to miss mine, but when the high temperature is 76ºs and the low 44ºs, it really is nice. An elk was in my backyard yesterday.
Anyway, enjoy. |
...THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY...!!!..my contriva diacera-ses left germany today for an early next week delivery....can't wait |
Ciro I heard the TAD Reference both last and this year in Munich! Although an amazing speaker to my ears the Contriva is in a different class. At any chance you got to listen for yourself an decide.
Kind Regards,
Mike
P.S. Waiting for my Piano Cera...:) |
Question dry comparison is contrivas TAD Reference One.
Which to choose? |
Thank you again to you audiogoners. but yes some people complain about how low the Tidal, but I'd like to tell them that there is no bass.
Today I am very happy to have one of the best loudspeakers in the moment which does not speak, I am delighted.
Without any resentment at all good MUSIC.
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Murataltuev, integrating a subwoofer has always frustrated me. I have tried probably ten different subwoofer over the years. The last was with my Beauhorn Virtuosos, that had no bass below 60 Hz. I tried massive 8 feet tall by 15 inch diameter isobaric subwoofers with 2000 watts of power. Boom, boom! Ultimately, I sold the speakers. This was followed by the futility of Avantegarde Trios.
The Tidal Contrivas have much better bass than my Acapella and go deeper. Do I think they do sub 20 Hz? No, this is what I might get out of adding the Zu Method.
Ozy, I agree. The US typically uses importers who add perhaps 30% as their profit. What Tidal has done, is to remove the importer. So Tidal staff now have to run their own rooms at shows and deal with reviewers and orders and shipping, as well as warehousing some product. |
So, no one has bass problems with Tidal Contriva?
I don't know may it was because of room acoustic?
Pairing sub is not easy way, I think. |
082288--
it's my understanding ,that the previous import prices in the usa were skewed and not in par with the rest of the world's. the current usa price list(which is available from tidal-audio.de) is more in line with the rest of the tidal importing community, and lower than previously advertised.
imho, whether tidal is a 40 points line or a other margin numbers is secondary. everyone is entitled to make a living and cover their expenses,and generate a profit, witihn reason , of course.and the main point ,which you hit on the nail squarely, is tidal's performance! it is indeed a stunning acheivment in music reproduction, period.
rilou---
the beauty of our hobby, is that there are so many great options out there to pick from. tidal may not be your cup -of tea, and we "tidalists" will all respect it fully.
whatever you choose ,enjoy it! |
Thank you for your answers, if I understand, the contriva Diacera SE are the best and cheap.
This binds you to me this is necessary, but I respect your commitments.
Thank you to tell me what others loudspeakers, listen to Compared to Tidal.
The profits are enormous on a sale of Tidal I am informed by a friend of audio dealer in Russia.
Thank you again.
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I neglected to say that I am guessing Tidal is a 40 point line.
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Rilou,
I am in no way an expert on such things, but anytime a product goes through a set of hands there is going to be an increase in price.
Lets take the T-1 system as an example:
Retail price $260,000
Dealer price $156,000
Distributors price $93,600
The Tidal speakers have more three-dimensional clarity and focus then any other speaker I have owned or listen to.
The great thing is we all have choices and if your choice is not to own Tidal then I respect that. |
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Rilou, in my experience there certainly are less expensive speakers than the Contriva Diacera SEs but only the Sunrays maybe better. I have had many speakers in 45 years as an audiophile and had concluded that you needed to choose your poison. Then I heard the Contrivas after but three days of breakin. Wow! Never had a speaker achieved the totality of sound like them.
I am enjoying my music. Thank you. |
Tidal contriva Diacera:
There are better and less expensive value for money.
Do any of you just tell me the price of the factory Tidal to Distributor? and the final price Distributor/Dealer to Customer?.
This information is for people, The Profits are a Dizzying Wealth.
Enjoy all with the music. |
rtn1 &murat---
the T-1 sub towers are only availble as part of tidal's T-1 flagship set up which includes the sunrays, t-1 towers ,silver crossover and capacitors, and the lpx active cross over.
higherfi's numbers are outdated. the T-1 system's price is now a cool $260k. and btw,the current and up to- date tidal usa price list is avialble from tidal- audio.de for the asking. |
Rtn1, since the US importer, Aaudioimports and Tidal have parted ways, I can find only one listing of Tidal speaker pricing, http://www.higherfi.com/spkrlist/speakerlist.htm, it shows the T-1s to cost $322,000, the tenth most expensive speaker in their listing. I found one listing of the price of the Sunrays, as $178,600, so your statement may be correct. |
Is it true that the T1 subwoofer tower adds $180 large to the price of the Sunray? |
Murataltuev, You know there is a T1 with a subwoofer tower?
I now own a Zu Method subwoofer that I have yet to try with my Contriva Dicera SEs. I am only going to run it up to 40 Hz. In my opinion it is the fastest subwoofer or at least has that reputation. In October when I get back to my main system, I will give it a try. I must admit that in my room, I have no low bass impact but maybe I don't know what I am missing. |
Want to share my impressions about Tidal speakers.
I decided to replace my speakers after I heard Tidal Sunray and Amea during the show in Moscow.
I was totally impressed with resolution, timbre accuracy and general naturalness of Amea and Sunray. Amea is too small for my room and I decided to audition Contriva.
Distributor in Russia has standard version and I heard them with Tidal electronics and Continuum Caliburn. Well, Caliburn is exceptional!
Never CD or any highres can come close to this sound. I was impressed with resolution of speakers, but...I feel a huge lack of lowest bass!
I need that bass, which you feel by your body when contrabass is playing or lowest notes of piano. So, I decided to audition Sunray!
And lucky me, that Russian distributor has Sunray for audition!!!
Hope next week to have them in my room!
Actually my current speakers are great. In general my system has absolutely unique level of resolution. But I feel that midbass and low bass resolution can be better and this can not be fixed by electronics or cables.
That's why I need new speakers. Hope Sunray will fulfill my expectations. |
Karelfd, I suspect that the feet that came with mine are those you mention. The bottom of my speakers has many threaded holes for mounting these feet. Fortunately they can also be used to mount the StillPoint Component Stand. |
Tbg, my previous generation Contrivas came with plain spikes that I'm still using in combination with the Harmonix tuning feet to my full satisfaction, I'm happy to say. I do believe, meanwhile, Tidals come with their weight optimized proprietary steel isolator feet, as a regular customary accessory that is (the shiny cylindric feet you can see on some photographs on the website). So I wonder, are these the ones the US distributor actually sold optionally or yet something else? |
I was wondering if anyone of you had compared the Piano Diacera to the Piano Cera. How much better is the Diacera performance compared to the Cera? As you know, the Diacera costs more so I wonder if the improvement justifies the cost. Thanks very much. |
Karelfd, Did your Tidals come with any feet? The former US importer insisted on optional feet, which I am not using, because StillPoints Component Stands are better. I use them on wood floors. |
Hi Husk01, concrete (2nd floor apartment) thereon very dense, short-haired carpet. The feet are on the carpet, not on the concrete directly. |
Karelfd, What are you sitting the Harmonix tuning feet on? Wood, concrete, carpet etc? |
tgb...thanks alot..this helps a great deal..i'll let you know how it goes after they get here.. |
