Tidal Speakers owners

SoundStage! on the Agoria:

http://www.soundstageglobal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=17&Itemid=314

Tidal review on Ultra Audio

http://ultraaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=143:tidal-piano-cera-loudspeakers&catid=44:feature-articles&Itemid=37

Here is a good review of the Piano Cera by Jeff Fritz:

http://ultraaudio.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=143:tidal-piano-cera-loudspeakers&catid=44:feature-articles&Itemid=37

Wow, not sure you could be any more wrong Tbg. You obviously know little about real speaker design. Here is what Jorn at Tidal said, ""It is 95% measurements and 5% hearing, with the step response being the most relevant measurement and then frequency response immediately following that."

See article here: http://www.soundstageglobal.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=101&catid=55&Itemid=88

You said, "Measurements have not been a major consideration in any case that I know of." The fact is that you must simply not know of any real speaker designers. They ALL measure. Read this to see how Revel and Vivid do it: http://www.soundstagehifi.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=228:high-performance-loudspeakers-how-theyre-designed&catid=62:monthly-column&Itemid=3

If you know of a single _credible_ speaker that is not designed using measurements first, then please name it. I'm sorry, but you just don't seem to know about which you speak.

I think I see the issue here. You don't accept that high fidelity (neutral) is the goal. OK, that's your take on it.

But the larger problem with your posts, Tbg, and I don't mean to be disrespectful of you, is that you are ignorant when it comes to how good speakers are designed. If you can honestly say that you put no confidence in companies that share some standard measurement protocol, then you truly are ignorant of what goes on. Things like smooth frequency response, wide dispersion, low distortion . . . these aren't just words, these are goals of good design. It's like saying you would not trust a car maker that uses engineering to design an auto. Of course these companies also use listening, but engineering is the backbone of the design process. YOU don't understand the measurements that equate to neutrality, but that is a YOU problem. I'm sorry, but it is difficult to debate intelligently with someone that has not bothered to learn a few simple truths.

Tbg, again you miss the point. Your speaker's designer has explained it, we've linked articles, others have chimed in. Here is the reality: YOU don't have a comprehensive understanding of these, but there IS a gropuong of generally agreed-upon measurements that, when examined and assessed by an expert speaker engineer, do tell us whether a speaker is basically neutral. This isn't guesswork or subjective. It is widely agreed upon. This is THE way good speaker design is done. And with neutrality -- what goes in comes out -- as the goal. We understand that you don't understand, but please don't confuse your misunderstanding with the facts as they have been layed out for you!

Again, Tbg, you don't get it. Why set up the strawman about "perfect speakers"? Did I say that? Uh, no.

But there is great consistency among good designers about a great many things that matter. They all do it differently, weigh things differently, and have their own sensibilities. A balance of tradeoffs.

Remember, you were the one that said "I have known many speaker manufacturers over my time in audio. Measurements have not been a major consideration in any case that I know of."

I simply proved that this was an ignorant statement. But you can't admit you're wrong, when clearly you are.

I'm done with this thread and you, Tbg.

Rockport does not use ceramic drivers and never has.