I’d like to announce that, for no additional charge, all of my e-mails will be cryogenically treated. You can’t prove otherwise.
Seriously though, when a manufacturer claims their product has been cryogenically treated how would we even know? At least with seafood we can run DNA analysis, and often we find out we are being ripped off.
How would we know this about cables, plugs, power connectors, etc? Has anyone ever even seen this being done? That’s actually a serious question. I have never actually seen this happening.
How would we even know if, for instance, they treated a batch in 1995 and no longer do?
I've never been a fan of cryo. If you want nothing to change, cool it to cryo temps. Physics has never provided a basis for it working on anything. I've also been in several other hobbies where it is touted as a cure all. Never seen a difference.
Some excerpts, from my post to a recent thread (>1000 posts), that became so contentious, it was deleted.
DISCLAIMER:
I left that thread, a couple pages prior to deletion, so: not my (direct) fault.
At the very first mention of something as simple as Wave Function (a BASIC tenet of Quantum Mechanics), the Cargo Cult will label you a KOOK.
But remember: they can only view/understand you, based on their limited experience, education and BIASES.
They have overlooked the fact that, if not for the hypotheses/theories and experimentation, regarding Quantum Mechanics: a plethora of modern conveniences, medical devices and the gear they so love, would not exist.
Had scientists, chemists and inventors shared the doctrines of the Cargo Cult (Denyin'tologists), there would be no semiconductors, computer chips, LASERs, or Magnetic Resonance Imaging devices (MRIs).
Solid State amps?
OOPS (back to tubes)!
Your Smart Phone?
FA'GET ABOUT IT!
Your car's GPS?
NOPE!
Bring up those pesky details, regarding the likes of QED, Dielectric Absorption, Poynting's theorem and possible application/effects, relative to frequency, that our musical signals are carried via photon or wave, outside the conductor, always from source to load and you're a KOOK?
Again: the Cargo Cult can only understand anyone with an actual background, experience and education in Physics/QED, based on their beliefs, education, experience and biases
Einstein got that last one wrong (Quantum Entanglement), BUT- I still wish he'd been alive, when the Hubble Telescope proved, what he considered his, "greatest blunder" (his inability to bring symmetry to his field equation, without lambda).
Back in March a thread about power cords and break/burn-in was started.
I hate to type, so: I'm going to copy/paste some of my speculations.
That a highly complex musical signal, MIGHT affect Poynting vectors and signal speeds, in interconnects, in a much more profound manner than a simple AC (ie: a fixed 60/50 Hz) signal, in a PC, seems likely (at least) to me.
Further: all of the above and what I'll c/p (seems to me) lends credence to how the application of a stronger, DC voltage/field, outside a dielectric (ala Synergistic MPC and Audioquest DBS systems), might stabilize those vectors and signal speeds, PERHAPS eliminating some time smear and, "burn-in".
Bear with me a minute, in my folly, far as a possibility on why a power cord might make a difference.
Based on some of the theories on how electricity works, simplified:
The conductor acts as a waveguide for the signal/voltage.
Within the conductor: when excited by an AC current, electrons oscillate, generating photons/electromagnetic waves that travel, always from the source, to the load.
Keep in mind: all signals (ie: music, AC) are sinusoidal waves
Those photons/electromagnetic waves travel through and outside the dielectric, which (according to it's permittivity/Poynting vectors) will have various effects on those waves. One of the most obvious, is the dielectric's effect on the speed of the signal.
The better designers of printed circuit boards, even take the above into account, when choosing materials for their products.
I posted a link on the first page, that included data on the manufacture of semiconductor chips and what was observed when materials were cryo'd, during process. Short version: better contact/lowered resistance between layers.
Under the scanning microscope: much smoother surfaces observed.
I would hope, by now, it's a given that various cable constructions, twists, braids, etc, can make for a cleaner transmission of signals (ie: Litz, etc).
Just seems to me (a hypothesis): given the above (some theories and some things established/measured/proven), it's not a big stretch to believe a power cord, built of the best conductor (Ohno CC silver), wrapped in a very low dielectric coefficient dielectric (ie: Teflon), cryo'd for the smoothest transfer of those photons/magnetic waves and twisted in some crazy way, might not smooth out some of preturbations/noise, from the crap an AC waveform had to go through, back to it's generator. (run-on, much?)
I haven't tested this, actually comparing two circuits, but: it wouldn't surprise me, if a power supply that used a choke, would be less affected by a better power cord, as the former can eliminate a lot of the high freq garbage, etc, that's either created by, or makes it through all the big converting/filtering stuff, before.
Never thought about PCs before the good stuff hit the market, but: the Physics/QED made sense.
I tried 'em, I like 'em and the science makes my head feel better.
OH, and: it takes some time for the dielectric to form, take a charge, polarize, or however one chooses to define the process, when a dielectric is subjected to electromagnetic waves, which affects the Poynting vectors, measurably/predictably.
The lower the material’s dielectric constant: the longer that takes.
"My undergraduate degree in the dark ages of the early 1980s was in aerospace engineering... '
My class pictures were carved on a cave wall, in France.
Even so, the Physics Labs and QED lectures (back in the 60's) and watching the developments in both those fields, in the decades since, more than convinced me: there's WAY too much going on, with regards to electromagnetism, musical signals and our sound systems, than we now know how to measure.
"But the question remains to ask an electrical engineer, or a physicist would be why changing the lattice structure of steel or copper to be different or more organized does anything beneficial for electricity flowing through it containing information that is modulated..."
"Yet, I’d like to understand what is it that you could measure objectively between two similar cables..."
Unless they've majorly updated the EE textbooks, since my days of higher learning: those taking such courses are still being instructed on how folks thought electricity worked in the 1800s.
Of course: when you're only interested in (basically) making things work, those old theories, laws and measurement practices are fine.
It was interesting, comparing what was taught and lectured upon, between the Physics and EE Depts, regarding electricity, at Case.
Made for quite a few interesting discussions between course participants.
Our discussions weren't quite as animated as those at the 1927 Solvay Conference, I suppose, BUT: there was still a contingent (like here, on AudiogoN), that wanted the universe (and electricity) to always make sense. Of course, it's been widely/scientifically proven: it seldom does.
"All we know for sure is that our current understanding of the universe is very incomplete, but hey, we've only been seriously at this "science game" for a little over 400 years. In that context, it is amazing what we do know, or think we know."
Exactly my point!
And it often seems: the more we learn, the less we find out we knew.
Since Einstein was proven correct by The Hubble, Physicists have realized; our knowledge only encompasses, somewhere around 4 to 5% of the universe.
And some want to make categorical proclamations/pontifications, as to whether it's possible for cables, constructed with knowledge gleaned since 1927, about QM, QED and electromagnetism, MIGHT make a difference in one's system.
Again:
Let The Cargo Cult go build another runway!
We've only recently begun to understand how our own senses, as well as those of many of the creatures around us, actually function.
In keeping with the thread's theme, I'll rephrase:
And some want to make categorical proclamations/pontifications, as to whether it's possible for cables, constructed with knowledge gleaned since 1927, about CRYOGENICS, QM, QED and electromagnetism, MIGHT make a difference in one's system.
Far as determining whether they indeed are cryo'd: street cred builds TRUST, in my book and it's hard to fool EVERYONE.
At some point: if, "cryo'd" is an important decision maker/breaker; prior to purchase, one must decide: will they TRUST the purveyor's claims, or- purchase an Electron Microscope and compare some surfaces.
I seldom buy things, that haven't been recommended/tested*, if not: lauded by others.
*ie: Not a cryo'd issue (never had anything thus treated), but; NASA compared Big Silver Oval speaker cables, against a number of others, with which to power their LASERS and found their performance superior.
Gave me confidence/trust and I wasn't disappointed.
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