This e-mail has been cryogenically treated

     Some Cargo Cultists build runways.

     Others: control towers, or install fake landing lights.

                          Let  'em!

                        Who cares?

                      Happy listening!

                          In keeping with the thread's theme, I'll rephrase:

       And some want to make categorical proclamations/pontifications, as to whether it's possible for cables, constructed with knowledge gleaned since 1927, about CRYOGENICS, QM, QED and electromagnetism, MIGHT make a difference in one's system.

       Far as determining whether they indeed are cryo'd: street cred builds TRUST, in my book and it's hard to fool EVERYONE.

        At some point: if, "cryo'd" is an important decision maker/breaker; prior to purchase, one must decide: will they TRUST the purveyor's claims, or- purchase an Electron Microscope and compare some surfaces.

         I seldom buy things, that haven't been recommended/tested*, if not: lauded by others.

        *ie:  Not a cryo'd issue (never had anything thus treated), but; NASA compared Big Silver Oval speaker cables, against a number of others, with which to power their LASERS and found their performance superior.

                   Gave me confidence/trust and I wasn't disappointed.

@moonwalker    

       "All we know for sure is that our current understanding of the universe is very incomplete, but hey, we've only been seriously at this "science game" for a little over 400 years. In that context, it is amazing what we do know, or think we know."

                                                Exactly my point!

         And it often seems: the more we learn, the less we find out we knew.

         Since Einstein was proven correct by The Hubble, Physicists have realized; our knowledge only encompasses, somewhere around 4 to 5% of the universe.

          And some want to make categorical proclamations/pontifications, as to whether it's possible for cables, constructed with knowledge gleaned since 1927, about QM, QED and electromagnetism, MIGHT make a difference in one's system.

                                                Again:

                     Let The Cargo Cult go build another runway!

          We've only recently begun to understand how our own senses, as well as those of many of the creatures around us, actually function.

                                                   ie:

                             Do we hear smells, with our nose?

    https://www.science.org/content/article/do-vibrating-molecules-give-us-our-sense-smell

                                                  and:

     https://maxiamoperfumes.com/2018/05/09/quantum-biology-explains-why-we-hear-with-our-noses/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CWhat's%20remarkable%20about%20this%20theory,vibrate%20at%20a%20particular%20frequency.

                                          Enjoy Science?

           https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-21150046

                                      Quantum Bird GPS?

     https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-migrating-birds-use-quantum-effects-to-navigate/

                                       Who am I to argue?

                                          Happy listening!

@moonwatcher -

        I’m rewinding these, because you seem interested in understanding other perspectives.

@moonwatcher -

                                            REWINDS:

      Some excerpts, from my post to a recent thread (>1000 posts), that became so contentious, it was deleted.

                                           DISCLAIMER:

    I left that thread, a couple pages prior to deletion, so: not my (direct) fault.

        At the very first mention of something as simple as Wave Function (a BASIC tenet of Quantum Mechanics), the Cargo Cult will label you a KOOK.

        But remember: they can only view/understand you, based on their limited experience, education and BIASES.

         They have overlooked the fact that, if not for the hypotheses/theories and experimentation, regarding Quantum Mechanics: a plethora of modern conveniences, medical devices and the gear they so love, would not exist.

          Had scientists, chemists and inventors shared the doctrines of the Cargo Cult (Denyin'tologists), there would be no semiconductors, computer chips, LASERs, or Magnetic Resonance Imaging devices (MRIs).

                                         Solid State amps?

                                     OOPS (back to tubes)!

                                        Your Smart Phone?

                                        FA'GET ABOUT IT!

                                         Your car's GPS?

                                                NOPE!

      Bring up those pesky details, regarding the likes of QED, Dielectric Absorption, Poynting's theorem and possible application/effects, relative to frequency, that our musical signals are carried via photon or wave, outside the conductor, always from source to load and you're a KOOK?

         Again: the Cargo Cult can only understand anyone with an actual background, experience and education in Physics/QED, based on their beliefs, education, experience and biases

                Oh well- let 'em go build another runway!

                                                    references:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applications_of_quantum_mechanics#:~:text=Examples%20include%20lasers%2C%20electron%20microscopes,systems%2C%20computer%20and%20telecommunication%20devices.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chadorzel/2015/08/13/what-has-quantum-mechanics-ever-done-for-us/?sh=37c459944046

https://uwaterloo.ca/institute-for-quantum-computing/quantum-101/quantum-applications-today

          But: I'm a kook, because I believe in the SCIENCE, from which all that sprang?

     https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/five-practical-uses-spooky-quantum-mechanics-180953494/

           Einstein got that last one wrong (Quantum Entanglement), BUT- I still wish he'd been alive, when the Hubble Telescope proved, what he considered his, "greatest blunder" (his inability to bring symmetry to his field equation, without lambda).

  https://www.aps.org/publications/apsnews/200507/history.cfm#:~:text=Einstein's%20original%20equations%20had%20been,how%20the%20universe%20will%20end.                                            How about that?

Another example of a hypothesis/theory, with no way to EXPERIMENT/MEASURE, what you're sure must be there, in some detectable way, or another.

                                               Just for fun:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/6-times-quantum-physics-blew-our-minds-in-2022/

                                            Happy listening!

@moonwatcher -

"My undergraduate degree in the dark ages of the early 1980s was in aerospace engineering... '

                My class pictures were carved on a cave wall, in France.

          Even so, the Physics Labs and QED lectures (back in the 60's) and watching the developments in both those fields, in the decades since, more than convinced me: there's WAY too much going on, with regards to electromagnetism, musical signals and our sound systems, than we now know how to measure.

"But the question remains to ask an electrical engineer, or a physicist would be why changing the lattice structure of steel or copper to be different or more organized does anything beneficial for electricity flowing through it containing information that is modulated..."

"Yet, I’d like to understand what is it that you could measure objectively between two similar cables..."

     Unless they've majorly updated the EE textbooks, since my days of higher learning: those taking such courses are still being instructed on how folks thought electricity worked in the 1800s.

     Of course: when you're only interested in (basically) making things work, those old theories, laws and measurement practices are fine.

     It was interesting, comparing what was taught and lectured upon, between the Physics and EE Depts, regarding electricity, at Case.

     Made for quite a few interesting discussions between course participants.

     Our discussions weren't quite as animated as those at the 1927 Solvay Conference, I suppose, BUT: there was still a contingent (like here, on AudiogoN), that wanted the universe (and electricity) to always make sense.    Of course, it's been widely/scientifically proven: it seldom does.

@carlsbad2 -

I've never been a fan of cryo.  If you want nothing to change, cool it to cryo temps.  Physics has never provided a basis for it working on anything.  I've also been in several other hobbies where it is touted as a cure all.  Never seen a difference.

                              Perhaps: you've not been paying attention?

             https://thermalprocessing.com/freezing-out-the-competition/#

https://www.thefabricator.com/tubepipejournal/article/shopmanagement/myths-in-the-cryogenic-treatment-and-processing-of-metal

           iow: YES, cryo treatment DOES fundamentally change the molecular/crystalline structure of metals (as well as a plethora of other materials).

          More to the point of the potential affect of cryo treatments on our cables/components/systems:

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/materials-research-society-internet-journal-of-nitride-semiconductor-research/article/improved-low-resistance-contacts-of-niau-and-pdau-to-ptype-gan-using-a-cryogenic-treatment/F9F3004B4AB0272292BB7D0122B63429

                                           YEAH, I know:

               It must be true.  It was on the internet.

                              Never mind: the sources, right?