Thiel Owners

Regarding Outriggers - Floor coupling is an important dimension for all speakers. Thiel’s outriggers broaden the base of support / footprint, with built-in adjustability for plumb and tilt. Their aesthetic matches later Thiel models nicely. Nice upgrade.

I have examined most of the market solutions in this arena, including the Gaias, and found room for improvement. A major problem, as unsound says, is that all flooring systems are not created equal  . . .  so one solution doesn’t fit all situations.

Thiel Renaissance has designed a family of interface products, which we call ’suspension systems’, in the form of sets of feet and a monitor stand that houses an outboard crossover. They create a  mechanical path rigid enough to keep the speaker anchored in space, while supplying an adjustable energy path to tune-out return-energy from the floor. The system is user-adjustable to match everything from bare concrete to carpet on wood, etc. There are 4 separate legs, in 3 sizes for small, medium and large speakers. Each leg anchors to a corner of the speaker base with its inboard end anchored to the speaker bottom to quiet its vibratory behavior. The outboard end accepts a threaded capsule (foot) with an interior bore for a reversible pin (toe) with a pointed or flat end. That toe rides on various washers and greases to tune the suspension to its unique work.

With so many balls in the air, it is unknown when we might bring this or other products to market. I feel no conflict with wisinskt’s proposal. Thiel outriggers are part of classic Thiel’s solutions that do their job well.

Stay tuned for news of Thiel Renaissance’s Speaker Suspensions.

tomthiel

Looking forward to the official launch of Thiel Renaissance. Thank You For All That You Do!

Happy Listening!

wisinskt

As soon as you have your System completed, make a Virtual Systems page here.

Happy Listening!

@tomthiel, I find your plan to have “outriggers “ also act as a place holder for outboard cross-overs both clever and compelling. I look forward to design completion and availability.

Unsound - outboarding the XO produces significant improvement itself, plus it allows component orientation options independent of the field effects of the drivers, and larger capacitors. All good. Later Thiel speakers often had the XO in the bottom of the cabinet, which is a big improvement over placement directly behind the woofer, but doesn't address microphonic degrade from the vibratory environment or thermal management inside the sealed enclosure.

I have made and some of you have tested a stand-alone cube in placed behind the speaker. It works nicely, but raises issues of placement and cabling that disqualify it as a first-choice solution. The SCS series is a special case. It and all other stand mount monitors benefit from a stand that incorporates a suspension system and houses the crossover. That's the Renaissance Monitor Stand.

For floor-standers, we need a simpler solution that does the same things well. Our speakers target ear height is 3'. That standard is often hard to attain. I am allowing up to 1 meter target height, since down-tilt can accomplish the trig for proper signal integration. We have created an underslung crossover housing using that extra headroom. That cavity houses the XO in still air with ventilation potential, without the need for XO - enclosure umbilcals for each driver. All good.