Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
jafant

Regarding Thiel subwoofers - when I began my 2018 assessment of Thiel Audio’s value, I spent considerable effort to locate any/all information about the sebwoofers. I concluded that New Thiel had literally thrown it all in the dumpster. I engaged a reputable design firm and learned that replication of the circuitry would require significant reverse engineering costs. Jim kept his filters proprietary and performed all service himself. The early SW subs used Jim’s own amp along with his room-equalization circuitry. Those amps had a high failure rate. They were replaced by Canadian BASH plate amps. Jim’s room circuitry seems robust enough, but is without schematics or test points.

In my shoes, I put the subwoofer project on the way back burner. I have a pair of SS1s and an SS2. Their integration is phenomenal. They are fed from the power amp output. Their crossover knows the parameters of the bass rolloff of the main speaker. Jim implemented an actual dedicated crossover between each model speaker and the subwoofer. I’ve never heard it so good. Nonetheless to expand what has been said, the main speaker rolloff progresses to 24dB/octave to match a 24dB/octave subwoofer low pass rolloff, which adds another full phase rotation. That bass alignment is well executed, but lacks the kind of time coherence that we get from the main speaker above its low-cut range.

All -

Excellent discussion(s) as above.  Keep up the outstanding work!

 

Happy Listening!

foamcutter

Nice score! on those CS 2.2 loudspeakers.  I hope your CS 1.5 speakers find the next good Home.

 

Happy Listening!

ronkent,

"I'm your huckleberry and listening to the Thiel's is just my game". I PM you sir and I'd be honored to be invited. 

I knew ig316b would stir up meaningful discussion regarding subs. 

What Tom and Unsound mentioned about that no subs, regardless of how good, can match the big Thiel's time coherence.You sure can have fun getting close though. The big Thiel's are harder to integrate into a room, most rooms they are placed in are undersized, and the amplification is $$$. Subs are much cheaper than amps to drive the CS5i.

However, that sealed bottom end is something special. It's in real time (like live music) whereas listening to a ported/passive radiator Thiel seems like your waiting at the bass stop for it to arrive in comparison. You would only become aware of this extreme if you listened to both. 

Tom and I are going to conduct separate listening test with the CS 7.2 notch filter. 

This critical test passes onto other models so excited to implement this filter Tom designed. 

When Tom advises I go outboard with the CS 7.2 crossover to expedite testing you know change is a coming. 

At the risk of appearing pedantic, If one were to mate sealed boxed subwoofers to sealed boxed monitors, and with perhaps some DSP one might achieve equal time coherence to that of a full range time coherent speaker. 

One caveat is that the subwoofers might have to work further up the frequency range (an area in which they become progessively more clumsy) to augemnt the the lessened upper bass output of the sealed box monitors (compared to typical ported monitors).

On the other hand there could be advantages in room placement and specific power requirements to such a pairing, Though not without added complexitiy. 

Getting such a system to work cohesively is not trivial endeavor