Thiel Owners


Guys-

I just scored a sweet pair of CS 2.4SE loudspeakers. Anyone else currently or previously owned this model?
Owners of the CS 2.4 or CS 2.7 are free to chime in as well. Thiel are excellent w/ both tubed or solid-state gear!

Keep me posted & Happy Listening!
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gmosley

Welcome! Good to see you here.  Excellent advice as above. Start with Rob at CSS for replacement grill(s) for your CS 3.5 speakers.  What other gear and cabling is in your System? I look forward in reading more about your Musical tastes as well.

 

Happy Listening!

 

thieliste

I rewired my 2.7 with Cardas when I found out that the speakers had wire that (I think) was used on the " new Thiel " speakers , a 16awg stranded lamp cord style .

At first I used 15.5awg for all 3 speakers , I then switched to 17.5 for the coaxial speakers and keep the 15.5 woofer for the woofer and for the speaker cable postes to the crossover boards .  I am very happy with the results especially because I bought the wire on sale and before the price of copper went up .

The one negative I can offer for using the Cardas wires Is that you should to use a hotpot to remove the lacquer coating .

thieleste - I concur with vair68robert - Cardas is a good, albeit expensive, solution.

Background in brief: Thiel discovered its 18-2 x tight twist in teflon via aerospace, and solved otherwise insurmountable problems developing the 1978 model 03.  Phase/Time coherence brought many system shortcomings into bright focus and ordinary wire was a big limitation. That 'Thiel' wire withstood all comparisons over the decades: 1988 CS5 development where we compared all the available contenders, and again Jim’s 2006 CS3.7 Swan Song design. From Thiel’s perspective and value assessment, it couldn’t be beat.

I began my own Thiel assessments in the mid 20teens and got serious in 2018. My scrutiny operates a little differently in that my value equation assumes product ownership, so further investments become incremental and more affordable than in new product bill-of-goods. I was aided by all the wire/cable heavy hitters and have learned more than I thought possible, especially in the domains of wavefront propagation integrity, and who understands what and how. My studies and progress landed with physics and quantum states, in which company ’it’ all makes as much sense as one’s skills can digest, interpret and apply. Deepest, longest rabbit hole of my life.

In our present context, the only ’stranded’ wires that pass muster for me are those that somehow insulate strand from strand - which are typically called 'solid' even when very small. Those include Cardas, some Kimber, Morrow, Anti-Cable and Iconoclast. (And possibly others I don’t know.) Many of the geometries are quite complex and expensive, and very good. New Thiel's 16awg - stranded is a big backslide, which often happens in the Dr. Toole frame of reference of ABX and things only matter if provable under their parameters and testing protocols.

My (upcoming) Renaissance wire family incorporates everything I’ve learned and painstakingly proven in the lab and listening room over the past 7 years. From my perspective of ’do no evil’ and ’preserve everything’, it nails it. And it is relatively simple and accessible - and therefore affordable.

Summary: Wire matters. There are more ways to go wrong than right. Low frequencies act differently than high frequencies (beyond current capacity). It you want to replace wire, investigate the brands I’ve mentioned. If you want to wait for mine, I really expect it to be available this year as ICs, Speaker Cable, internal hookup, chassis wire and coils. It stands on the shoulders of Thiel’s classic wire, which in many ways is already best of form.

Yes, Mr Tomthiel. the cs3.5 did come with the Eq and thank you for the info on the grills, I have not played them. but was wondering if they would sound best without the grills, but I will still purchase them, to get the best performance out of them what advice would you give for room placement?