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Duramax - indeed the connector is paramount to performance. I've taken a very deep dive into signal propagation, and know there is much confusion and lack of insight in the arena. The wire guys have paid good attention to metal purity and dielectric characteristics, but still haven't settled on a 'best' geometry. I continue to investigate that aspect (with some tangible success). What seems to be nearly ignored is the termination which plays a huge part in proper propagation through the signal chain. Consider the signal path as like a water-slide. As an example, consider the end of the slide to meet a spade connector. Smooth flow turns to whitewater. Independent of metal purity, gauge/ampacity/ etc.the turbulence has significant negative effects. I am not overstating, and you are correct that listeners would be astonished. For practical considerations I want to disconnect the amp and the speaker. Presuming an outboard crossover, we can attach the input and output pigtails to the crossover and have good user interface. At the amp end I strongly recommend locking banana plugs due to their inline arrangement of field propagation. Of course your idea of direct solder connections could be better. But I posit that the geometry of that soldered connection is critical. Axial, left-lay twist is the correct way. At the outboard XO we can manage inputs from one or multiple amps with inline soldered connections. Same on the output. Note that I had some custom bolts made in 6-9s copper which I have now abandoned due to the propagation disturbances we are discussing here. I replaced those with thin-wall copper tubing with wires fed into each end, touching in the middle and soldered at the entries. That out-performs any post I have tried. GR's Electra takes that idea up a few notches with purer copper, thinner walls, and the convenience of unplugging. Note that solder per se is not an ultimate solution. Heat disrupts the molecular structure and metals dis-similarity is less than perfect. In summary, I consider the roughly $12 / connection to be funds well spent. Note that the 2.4 is electrically a two-way; the mid to tweeter crossover is visco-elastic / mechanical. So we'll need two pairs per channel which will cost around $50 / channel. That's a lot more than nothing, but less than one typical upgraded capacitor. The proof will be in the listening, but there is a lot to like here. For your straight-through solder proposal, you might consider the copper tubing idea at the speaker inputs. I plan to re-fit my amps with Electra outputs. |
Hi All, I would like to update on my Thiel CS7.2 fitting Gaia I Floor standing. When I opened the box, Gaia I comes with thread adaptors for the 3 most common thread sizes which fit the majority of speakers BUT not for Thiel Speakers. Anyway, I can request for the Threads fitting to Thiel Speaker, which I need to request from distributor. It take more than 1-2 months and I can’t wait for it. Therefore, I had an idea to create custom ’Outrigger’ that can fit my speaker. As you know, I have Audia Flight ST4+ST1 Power and Pre Amp. They also recently introduce hi-end floor stand speakers to the market using name ’Alare Labs’. I quite admire their products and designs. I used their design. I started measuring the distance between each spike and draw the design manually. I brought the design to lathe factory near by and explained my design. 1 week later, I went and picked up the outriggers and test fit to the speaker. They are perfectly fit. I used Galvanic flat black Painting and spray. So, they become black. Here is some pictures that I fitted the Gaia I to Thiel CS 7.2 Speakers. Enjoy!! Give me 1-2 weeks to listen and I will give you again Full review on the sound impact. Finish Outrigger unpainted with designs |
jafant, The 2.7 is a gem also. The 2.4 and 2.7 sound very different. So having both is a great option if you can get two separate rooms fitted. Tom, I was referencing "cost nothing" doing the soldering/pigtail not the Electra outputs. The Electra ad an obvious cost especially if used at outboard and amps. bas79 We have the same finish on our CS 7.2. Glad you figured out a platform for them. When I get the time I also will be designing and manufacturing a speaker base for them. Thanks for sharing everyone. |
Hi jafant - Here is a post that might be worth reviewing: Beetlemania 2019 Summary He also posted "Relevant posts begin January or February, 2018. I made my final changes about one year later." (Link) Should provide some reference to further search.
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