Erh....I meant 4 figure cables.
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Thiel lovers and leaders, I just swapped out my C6 for my beloved 3.6 for fun. I do this on occasion. I am retired so I can play with the system when I have the urge. What a different animal! Just so transparent and open, not that the 6 is a slouch and once again confirms my preference to the driver scheme in the 3.6. Keep up the good work Tom and Team Thiel! Reading and following with great interest as I will no doubt need to update my XO’s at some point. |
Sld4, The EVO’s have no sonic signature, nothing gets in the way of the music. MIT has done a good job with the heritage series with trickledown technology from their megabuck cables. They have bridged the gap between musical and resolving. I have used lots of MIT cables in the past, the EVO 2’s are the best I’ve had in my system. They are expensive however as MIT has never been bashful with their price/marketing leadership position. Their heritage series at least offers a good taste of their top cables at somewhat affordable prices. |
@yabe1951. Nice amp and speakers you have. I own both the 3.6 and CS6. Thielist makes a good point about tradeoffs. I am using the CS6 because I have a large room and the 6 is more dynamic than the 3.6. However, the 3.6 is the most transparent speaker I have had in my room, you give up just a tiny bit with the larger model 6. They are definitely cut from the same cloth - both are excellent. The CS6 fits my needs in my room better. I never warmed up to the 3.7 after much anticipation being a longtime 3.6 owner. I thought Thiel got a little aggressive on the price 12K to 14K. I know it was innovative and an upgrade but the 3.6 has always been my favorite speaker. Hope that helps your decision. |
02-11-2020 1:14amsolobone22Actually MIT has downsized (if that's the right word) into 3 categories with variants in each. The Reference uber expensive series, the 2CD3 series which is also very expensive, and the Heritage EVO line the new entry into the brand, still not cheap. The two categories below the Reference line offer significant trickle down technology that makes them a great value if you have the funds. I use the EVO line and it is significantly better than the older reference MIT's. I've always been an MIT user/fan. Started with them, tried many other cables, and came back. Their business model became way too extensive and confusing for a while. I think their new offerings make a lot of sense. They are and always have been however price leaders in the industry. |
tomic601 good call on the Kimber, 8TC is an extraordinary value and works extremely well with Thiels even better for me than 3035. They can be lean in the midrange with Thiels so system matching is imperative. I have also found Straightwire and Analysis Plus to work well. I have found most quality stranded copper cables work will with Thiel and you don't need to spend long on cables. I have learned that the hard way. |
@unsound thanks for the compliment! I feel the same - and I also agree with your well written and insightful post. Makes perfect sense to me regarding the difference between the ML and Krell KAV. @coop_301 I own both the CS6 and the 3.6, love both speakers. The 3.6 is my favorite speaker, it just has a see through transparency and utter disappearing act the CS6 can’t quite reach. The 6 will play louder but the 3.6 plays plenty loud in my room and my primary genre is classic rock. Even though bass on the 6 is more abundant on a large scale I prefer the 3.6’s punchiness and transparency. I switch them in and out but the 3.6 seems to stay in the longest. I Personal tastes, rooms and upstream components all make choices subjective to a degree. As my friend unsound says IMHO, YMMV.
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@thieliste if he will deliver 1,000 miles I will add them to my collection of Thiels, LOL! I completely understand why he doesn't want to ship them.... |
@jafant you are so right! I suspect you feel the same way about cables as I do! |
I have tried many speaker cables with both my 3.6 and CS6 and always seem to come back to Straightwire Maestro II. I do not believe you need a cost no object cable for Thiels unless you have similar equipment. I have tried several $$ speaker cables including: Alpha Core Goertz M2 and M3 - nice balance overal, M2 better - RC links a hassle Kimber 3035 - dull sounding, good bass however, silver/copper mix not ideal 8TC - solid, neutral, puts out what is put in, will always have a pair on hand StraightwireVirtuoso - disappointing since the Maestro is so good, grainy, Tara Labs The One - solid core not for me or Thiels IMO MIT Oracle V4 - aggressive top end, great bass Magnum M2 - good but moved up the line to V4 750 SG - a classic in my HT system. Warm full bodied holographic. slight bloat. Purist Audio Proteus - gave up too soon on these. Used them with another speaker Nirvana SL - nice, but lost in a cable co shootout with SW Maestro II AP oval 9...just to name a few. I have what is called a cable fettish! After all that SW Maestro II is in my system today. I have PAD Venustas IC's upstream. I believe you can get more out of experimentation with interconnects than speaker cables with Thiels. Of course this is my perspective in my system YMMV. Only way to know is to try IMHO.
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Sure Tom - Maestro has been discontinued for several years now. The Maestro variant was in level 4, their best, and in the same level as Virtuoso and Crescendo. I never tried the Maestro IC’s. I am not sure when Octave was introduced or exactly where it sits in the hierachy. @Theiliste - thank you, it has been an interesting journey. Jerry |
Jafant they match up nicely and do much of the same thing even though the PAD's use diferent metals and SW is all copper. They are both very balanced, meaning no frequency is left behind or emphasized. They just get out of the way.
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@duegi I own both 3.6 and CS6 and my favorite all-time speaker is the 3.6 bar none. I like the CS6 but as you can see from my opening line I prefer the 3.6. They both have great bass in my room, the CS6 does go a bit deeper, sounds like a bigger speaker and will play louder. But no other speaker does it for me like the 3.6 - the coherency, dynamics, tonality, and see thru transparency is first rate. I am rocker and it plays plenty loud for me. Maybe it’s the design as they are slightly different, the CS6 has a coaxial midrange/tweeter. It just doesn’t sound as pure as the 3.6 midrange and tweeter. Not as "you are there" for me. BTW, I am driving them with Mcintosh 501 mono’s which are beasts with plenty of current. You can’t lose if you decide to get a pair of CS6’s - they are a hell of a bargain for the speaker you get! I do swap them in and out on occasion with the 3.6 but the latter gets much more play time. Good luck.
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@lloydviii - I concur with tomthiel, I am still using Straightwire Maestro II speaker cables on my 3.6 and CS6. I have tried many more expensive ones including MIT, Tara Labs, PAD, Kimber and a few more. They do it for me! Long since discontinued from the line but I would look into the SW variants Tom mentioned. |
Jafant I am using Purist Audio Venustas luminist revision for IC’s. I’ve never heard maestro IC’s but have always been curious. I bought the Maestro II SC about 10 years ago from the cable company after a trial. I have been through a lot of cables/combinations and the SW is the best sub 1k wire I’ve heard in my system. Other more expensive cables were overkill, I don’t believe you have to spend Uber money on Speaker cables for Thiels. That’s been my experience fwiw. good listening |