The “They are here” vs “You are there” sound topic

ivan_nosnibor

Thanks for your interesting post...

My experience is like yours...

The mechanical and electrical grid of the house play indeed a fundamental role...But for me they are three embeddings:

1-The mechanical environment of each electronic component (vibrations-resonances controls)

2-The electrical grid of the room and of the house

3a-the passive room treatment with materials absorbant and reflective
3b-the active acoustical space modifications with 8 modified Schumann generators, 20 Helmholtz resonators and 50 reflectors...


The cost of my filtration noise system is low compared to other methods and entirely linked to properties of some stones and crystals...


For example the filtration of the electrical field of the telephone box, router, breaker panel, is 50% of the imaging field peak potential in my audio system...

I am glad to learn that my low cost tweaked system is not unrevealing...:)

Recorded live events mostly, but also churches spaces gives me the impression " to be there"... Because some spatial cues coming from the recordings vindicate my own room cues, especially in nearfield listening...

But I have this impression also to feel a great space encompassing my room or replacing it in regular listening distance...This immersive impression was in my audio system only after my advanced modification of the central breaker panel and the introduction of many Schumann generator with many thin golden plate+liliputian Herkimer diamond...

Otherwise in studio recordings "they are here" in an off beat virtual space most of the times ...

It seems to me that this 2 imaginary locations are not always completely disjointed one from another.... They are related to the recording engineering but also like what has been said already to the peculiarity of our room( the explanation of audiokinesis is very clear)....

Sometimes yes they are perceived very clearly and distinctly like almost 2 different experiences....

My system is able to gives me something of this 2 locations different in some different files ….For example listening Walcha playing the Organ works of Bach, I listen like if I was in the space where the organ is....

I listen to a files of Muddy Waters "folk singer" and in the contrary I had the clear impression that Muddy waters is in my room with the musicians...

One file is recorded in a big church, the other is recorded in a small studio....
 For some " live event" recording it is the same like with the church, I listen to the living space and I feel like I was there....

In near listening field or in regular distance listening from my speakers the differences between these 2 files are the same...Except that in near listening field the space of the church is more present than in regular listening field because of the partial elimination or mitigation of the room peculiarities....But the difference between " I am there" or "they are here" subsist in the 2 positions...

In other files there is some no mans land between this 2 options that is not clear cut.... This is linked to the recording engineering peculiarities... It is impossible to decide for one or the other, because there is no space physical unity where all the musicians are together for example in some case, the mind is then mixed about that and recreate an artificial experience without any real link to some real space be it a church, a live event, or even a regular studio........It is more like a virtual totally imaginary space....

My definition of tonality is completely different than yours. Tonality, according to my definition is the area well below the crossover point. So it has nothing to do with off axis response.

Perhaps I am not the only one but I am sorry to say that perhaps I understand anything but that definition does not makes any sense for me....A more scientific mind help please! 


In my experience and experiment we cannot separate tonality and the dynamics of the room and the speakers resonance and workings....It is a linked system dynamics....

I pay zero attention to distinctions such as "you are there" versus "they are here". It is a nebulous concept and has no power, imo, to actually advance an audio system....
It is evident to me that the phenomenon of there versus here is a function of the recording, and the degree to which it is felt is a result of the quality of the system. It is not dependent upon any type of speaker, as I can obtain that distinction in listening with whatever type of speaker I use - panel, horn hybrid, line source, dynamic, etc. :)  

I think that douglas-schroeder reflect my own opinion well...

My own experience is takes cares of the 3 embeddings of the audio system, and you will be there and they will be here....It is what I feel like in my 2 listening position in my room...