the sound of massed violins in classical orchestral recordings


why do massed violins have this sort of gritty sandpapery reverberation in classical orchestral recordings?even in some sections of a piece, when the violins are playing softly in the background, you hear that gritty overtone more than the melody.when I listen to the Houston symphony in Jones Hall,sitting fourth row, facing the violin section, I don't hear that sound.I have three systems { two of them mid-fi ] and I hear the same thing-even with headphones.in all instances, the other parts of the orchestra are clear.  my main system : Vanalistine Trancendence 10 tube preamp,a 35 year old solid state Proton D1200 amp, [have tried NAD,Project, Musical Fidelity amps--they don't sound any better],Onkyo dx7555 CD player [Stereophile class B],and Project Carbon turntable with Grado Black 2 cartridge [ the Ortophon Red was too bright ] through Magnepan MG12/QR speakers.Tried a highly regarded Elac speaker--no change as far as the violins go, but way inferior to those dramatic Maggies.So, there you have it. Is it the equipment? Is the state of the art not up to recording violins? Is it me? [its o.k.-I can take it}. In closing,a couple of years ago,I had phone conversation with a well known person associated with a major speaker company about this. His response :[ paraphrased ] Violins are a problem--don't like 'em.  Any input will be appreciated. Thanks.
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I have a good friend who is an accomplished violinist, she claimed to me more than once, that she'd never heard a playback device that could come close to violin. That could mimic it close enough to fool her into believing it was the real thing.

I have wondered and discussed with a few people, if it were that in the early days of digital they would have suggested a slightly wider range than the "'human auditory range", from say 20Hz to 30Khz, would the harmonics included make a difference? Would it be better with interpolation for example with stringed instruments?

I found the following, it's not verified.

As for the frequency spectrum active as a result of the violin’s sound:

Bowed open G string: ~191 hz to ~16000 hz

Bowed open E string: ~658 hz to ~17000 hz

Plucked open G: ~191 hz to ~8000–12000 hz (depending on how much ‘click’ you want)

Plucked open E: ~191 hz to ~17000 hz


"For example, when recording 44.1 kHz audio, you are capturing frequencies up to the 22 kHz range. When sampling at 48 kHz, you are really capturing frequencies up to 24 kHz."

"While some people claim that they notice a slight improvement in audio quality when selecting the higher audio rate, research indicates that 20 kHz is the limit to human hearing."

Source- https://www.protoolsproduction.com/44-1khz-vs-48khz-audio-which-is-better/