the sound of massed violins in classical orchestral recordings


why do massed violins have this sort of gritty sandpapery reverberation in classical orchestral recordings?even in some sections of a piece, when the violins are playing softly in the background, you hear that gritty overtone more than the melody.when I listen to the Houston symphony in Jones Hall,sitting fourth row, facing the violin section, I don't hear that sound.I have three systems { two of them mid-fi ] and I hear the same thing-even with headphones.in all instances, the other parts of the orchestra are clear.  my main system : Vanalistine Trancendence 10 tube preamp,a 35 year old solid state Proton D1200 amp, [have tried NAD,Project, Musical Fidelity amps--they don't sound any better],Onkyo dx7555 CD player [Stereophile class B],and Project Carbon turntable with Grado Black 2 cartridge [ the Ortophon Red was too bright ] through Magnepan MG12/QR speakers.Tried a highly regarded Elac speaker--no change as far as the violins go, but way inferior to those dramatic Maggies.So, there you have it. Is it the equipment? Is the state of the art not up to recording violins? Is it me? [its o.k.-I can take it}. In closing,a couple of years ago,I had phone conversation with a well known person associated with a major speaker company about this. His response :[ paraphrased ] Violins are a problem--don't like 'em.  Any input will be appreciated. Thanks.
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Right now I'm getting outstanding, edge-less violin string tone from a Primephonic stream of Hillary Hahn and orchestra doing "A Lark Ascending."
Yeah, it just seems to be one of those things recording engineers have trouble with. I've got hundreds (thousands?) of orchestral recordings on CD, vinyl and cassette, and probably only about twenty or thirty of them get orchestral strings close to truly clean & right.  I'm picky enough on this topic to rate the various labels on their orchestral string tone cleanliness batting average.  It's one of the reasons I have so many orchestral recordings on Philips.  Analog recordings usually do better on this front than digital ones, but that doesn't mean that analog and vinyl are superior in this respect.  I also gotta say that streaming via Qobuz and Primephonic probably does better with this aspect of reproduction than any other media.  Who'd a thunk it?
Fuzztones -- Not that I ever played in an orchestra but I used to regularly gather with a bunch of fiddlers for Old Time jam sessions.  The jams would happen at bars, restaurants, somebody's living room, or in backyards, parks & patios.  Of course, there'd be banjos, mandolins, guitars and other instruments, too.  Anywhere from five to fifteen fiddles.  Anyway, yeah, nobody ever got out of first position on their fiddles and tone/intonation was often suspect, but I never heard a trace of that cursed hash/buzz.  If I did hear buzz or hash, it was mellifluous and inviting, not annoying.  It just added flavor and dash.  The same goes for the many live classical concerts I've attended over the centuries.  It's only on recordings where the hash has reared its ugly head.
I repeat once again once again, right now this fiddler is experiencing superlative string tone from Primephonic, this time of Lalo's Symphonie espagnole.  My system -- Mytek Brooklyn Bridge, PrimaLuna Prologue One, Nola Boxers.