The new Synergistic Research BLUE fuses ....
Here we go the same "awesome foursome" we'll have the full gamut soon. Just get SR to back you guys, and if they did back you guys up personally with the same sound quality and directionalality improvement claims made here, it would certainly give their product the credibility it sorely needs, instead of leaving it to a bunch no-bodies to man the credibility boat. Cheers George |
No 3 where's 4 As I said before: This is all you have to do to give boutique fusing some credibility, just get Synergistic Research (who's an advertiser here) to back you guys, and if they did back you guys up personally with the same sound quality and directionalality improvement claims made here, it would certainly give their product the credibility it sorely needs, instead of leaving it to a bunch no-bodies to man the credibility boat. Cheers George |
Which way does a fuse fit anyway. maybe I am ignorant,Spin the bottle that all the fuser’s do. but I always just stuck a fuse in where the old one was.That’s all you have to do nothing more nothing less. a new blue fuse would blow the amp and all my other stuff.They’ve been known to fail, when replaced with the correct manufacturers amperage. The fuser’s say stick a bigger one in than the manufacturers specs if they blow, then x your fingers and pray. Very safe?????????????? Cheers George |
geoffkait8,963 posts04-16-2018 5:24amJack pot!!! No. 4 tel55517 posts04-16-2018 5:39amHey a new recruit No. 5? and with a lot of posting credentials, least it more than what SR themselves are prepared to put up. Cheers George |
When you rely on the really poor protocols that many audiophiles use to declare sonic differences, it’s not surprising that virtually anything can be claimed to have made a sonic difference. +1 Prof If you go back to the OP’s first post and see the differences one "black" fuse did, them maybe multiples into all the equipment, then after that the massive improvements the "blue" does over the "black" then the massive improvements multiple "blues" do. You’ve got to think to your self, that system of his must of sounded real t**d before any of these boutique $150 fuses came along. Cheers George |
Very well put prof, I doffs me hat to ya. And to Ralph’s (Atmasphere) saying of "expectation bias" Cheers George |
I can respect someone who says “I don't know for sure if it makes a difference or not, but I'm not going to try it because I don't see enough probability that it will work.” I have little regard for those who “know” that it cannot possibly work without ever trying it. And those with technical knowledge have little regard for someone who's majority of posts are to do with "snake oil" tweaks and has who has no technical knowledge, and doesn't seem to think it matters. Cheers George |
Synergistic Research states everything you are asking for on their website.No they don’t personally, it’s hearsay. Directionality change in fusing is obvious to me (and to my friends). There is no "subtlety" in the difference. I don’t give a rat’s ass why. From out of phase to in phase as if the polarity were reversed. Choose in phase or suffer poor sound.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmyucZa6wD0&feature=youtu.be&t=11 Cheers George |
Why not try to use calmer verbiage instead of "snake oil?" It's known all over the world as "snake oil" It's a mains fuse that has AC on it, that changes 60 x a second, so for one how can it possibly be directional? 2, how can it effect the music signal "unless" it acts like a diode and tries to rectify the mains on one half of the cycle. But of course you wouldn't have understood a thing I just said. So "snake oil" and it's alternatives I'm afraid is all you understand. Dennis Had director/founder of "Cary Audio", opinion on snake oil fuses ect. https://youtu.be/xLQsEeBKg1E?t=1791 Cheers George. |
Ok if you must, forget the system and what it must of sounded like before all these awe inspiring fuse improvements one on top of another. One can also ask, can this view of this person be believed. As these types of multiple magnificent improvements type statements for each consecutive fuse addition, beggars belief. And really questions the credibility aspect. BTW this is the only thread, I frequent that is so toxic, all others there maybe disagreements, but they are quickly nullified, but not here. I’ve seen threads shut down for far less angst between members than what going on here, I wonder why?? This one did get shut down a couple of days ago, but it’s the first one I’ve seen reopened?? Cheers George |
Does nullified means agreeing with you?No proven one way other the other, but here nothing is accepted from an Electronic engineering view point by the fusers, even though every part of the equipment is designed and tested using electronic laws and ee maths. You fusers think you know better. But you have nothing but your expectation bias to go with and no cred as even SR won't back you. Cheers George |
mapman .....Also slo blo fuses can melt partially and have an effect on performance and sound..... Mapman inadvertently is agreeing with what really happens to a partially melted fuse, it's called ageing. Good for you. Funny this should be mentioned as it's just like what happens to a fuse that's seen too many turn on cycles, as there's far more current goes through it at the moment of switch on than any other time, as it has to charge up empty power supply caps ect. that's why fuses and light globes blow (if nothings wrong) at time of turn on, here are some pics of fuse ageing. A slow-blo fuse "ageing" right to left https://peakpinball.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/fuse-8312-640x426.jpg A fast-blo fuse "ageing" left to right https://i.stack.imgur.com/0uqWX.jpg%20 Cheers George |
uberwaltz1,267 posts04-19-2018 6:54amGood lord GeorgeGlad to see it irritates you, as it all got some cred behind it, unlike the fuser's waffle on why they sound so good. Cheers George |
Why do the fuses work? Superior metals? Added Graphene? Closer tolerances? This is either hocus pocus or you have some valid explanations. Please explain to just of one of your points what the "closer tolerances" are of the $150 SR fuse vs $2 Little Fuse. And how the SR fuse closer tolerances applies to better sound quality. And also show where this is explained on the SR website by them. There’s a 30 day, money back guarantee. Don’t do this as paying up front conjures up "expectation bias" and many are "saying" it takes longer than 30days to so called "burn-in". Instead ask for a sample to be sent out and if you like it you’ll pay for it, if not you’ll send it back at their expense, some one else bought this up a while back with this great solution, and this takes all things like "expectation bias" and "burn-in time" out of the equation. Cheers George |
I’m dizzy trying to make sense of it.Typical response from a $150 fuser, but direction change with an AC mains fuse does make sense to them, even though they just can’t grasp the fact that AC (Alternating Current) mains changes 60 x a second (60hz), they still think a mains fuse has directional-ability. Cheers George |
OMG!!!!!!!!!! If there were micro arcing on the end caps of mains fuses, you would see burn pits all over them, more "snake oil" As for noise, if there were any, which I highly doubt, it couldn’t get through the transformer, rectifiers, smoothing capacitors, regulators, and more smoothing caps that come after the mains fuse, again more "snake oil" The only reason a fuse may sound better after it’s replaced with either the same standard one or "snake oil one" is because of ageing, too may turn on cycles will age any fuse and cause it to deteriorate. All explained below. Mapman inadvertently is agreeing with what really happens to a partially melted fuse, it’s called ageing. Good for you. Cheers George |
The only reason a fuse may sound better after it’s replaced with either the same standard one or "snake oil one" is because of ageing, too may turn on cycles will age any fuse, a $2 one or $150 one, and cause it to deteriorate. All explained below. Buyers with little or no technical knowledge should not listen to any "snake oil" reasons here, as they are not backed personally on this thread by Synergistic Research, with the same outlandish claims that are made in this thread by the "awesome foursome" in regards to sound quality and direction-ability of these fuses. Mapman inadvertently is agreeing with what really happens to a partially melted fuse, it’s called ageing. Good for you. Cheers George |
Potential fuser’s thinking of blowing $150 for a $2 fuse, because of the waffling’s of the "Awesome Foursome" here. Should take a look at the other "snake oil" posts they are into, and then make a sane guess as to whether they can be believed. Just for an example, look at the ’snake oil" geoffkiat peddles here on his website, then ask yourself, is this ?????? https://www.machinadynamica.com/machina6.htm https://www.machinadynamica.com/machina5.htm Cheers George |
Just another bit of "snake oil" you fuser’s need so you get those pesky fuses burnt in before the 30 day return period runs out. Good luck with that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ud2n7Mut13s Cheers George |
Looks like it's back to what's real, and not in someones mind eye. The only reason to change a $2 fuse, just replace it with a new $2 one. Mapman inadvertently is agreeing with what really happens to a partially melted fuse, it's called ageing. Good for you. Cheers George |
Again, for us non-technical folks our "opinion" is based on what we hear.Just because you say it, doesn’t mean people should do it. As your saying it with your zero technical cred and zero backing from SR, it’ll be like the self professed leader below saying follow me. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0OyA7IopgoE/WlYv3MPbVlI/AAAAAAAAokE/3qX_JRui7nwQh0uYZIGK6dA6gCXQUItgQCLcB... Cheers George |
Need I say that it goes both ways?I think you’ll find 99% of people with a bit of common sense would go with electronic reasoning, and scientific knowledge over any "snake oil" any day. The 1% are the ones you want. Especially when the comments on the magnitude of sound quality increase, and directional-ability of these >$150 fuses are not backed up personally by the manufacturer, to give you guys any cred. Cheers George |
Sorry George, But my whole life and work is based around common sense and practical application. This fuse "snake oil" is not common sense nor is it practical application, if it were the manufacturers SR would be personally backing all fusers claims made here on the the "massive sound quality improvements" and the clearly heard difference in "directionality" of this >$150 mains fuse. Cheers George |
George ... What devises would you use to measure depth, sound stage width, organic realism, transparency and emotional impact of the music itself? It all come under good design, and what constitutes that are the designers themselves, with NO "snake oil" involved. And speaker room-placement also for the first two (depth and width) As everything the designers makes is done with electronic engineering principals and it’s associated maths, measurements and tests. Every piece of equipment you have is done this way, yet you think your fuse "snake oil" can improve on it???? What a laugh!!! You "awesome foursome" have none of that, and are not even backed up with your claims personally by SR the fuse manufacture them-selves, even though they advertise here. That’s how much "snake oil" you preach. I’m going to stop boosting this "snake oil" thread for a while. So you "Awesome Foursome" will have to do it on your "Pat Malone". I"LL BE BACK, if later if I see extraordinary claims on what a fuse can do!!!!! Just to keep it real, so the non technical here don't get ripped off for $150 for a $2 fuse. Cheers George |
When asked what these fuses do on other forums, Synergistic are only too quick to point others to this Audiogon "snake oil" thread with the posts of how great they are. But when it comes to the backing up the ones they point to, their silence is deafening. They don’t personally back your claims here. You "Awesome Foursome" are the sacrificial ones, "collateral damage" if you like. What they said on other forums: Jay Albers Sure for the same reasons that folks will spend thousands of dollars on cabling. They look cool and you can brag to your friends about how much you spent on them. " Synergistic Research There’s an interesting discussion among people who’ve actually heard our fuses in their systems over at Audiogon. Check it out." Cheers George |
oregonpapa OP Well you’ve done that with absolutely no personal cred from SR themselves backing your claims of massive sound improvements and directionalability. Now you can stop trying to sell them to the non technical here, who don’t know better. Who would be far better off re-directing the >$150 x 4 for all pieces if they listen to you, into something else. Here is a post from if you can believe it, from a "user" on a SR distributors web site. THIS WEEK I INSTALLED 1 QUANTUM BLUE FUSE as an experiment UPSTREAM in the main plug which provides power to the whole system. My system is hyper sensitive to any change however small, be that good or bad. I can report with no exageration I AM IN TOTAL SHOCK. The entire system has more speed, energy and precision IN EVERY AREA. I immediately contacted a well known reviewer (UK) friend of mine to explain. Its virtually impossible to convey the magnitude unless you experience it first hand. I will be replacing all the fuses in my entire system with QUANTUM BLUE. £130 Per fuse is expensive but not expensive in the context of was it delivers. And another one, you've got to ask yourself, REALLY!!!!! The black fuse is a very good fuse, but the blue fuse is absolutely better in every way. It is very dynamic, bass is taught, defined, and extended. Resolution and detail increased by an easily discernible margin, yet while simultaneously being more relaxed sounding, which is really quite amazing. This is one of the best values in sonic upgrades in my opinion. This is all you potential fusers need to know, forget the "snake oil’ being preached. As this is what happens to any fuse (including the "snake oil" ones) that have seen too many turn on cycles, it’s called fuse ageing with "switch on surges", as there’s far more current goes through it at the moment of switch on than any other time, as it has to charge up empty power supply caps ect.Cheers George |
I thought you said you were going away.......Yes, and I said I"LL BE BACK once the "snake oil" started to flow again from the "Awesome Foursome" and on queue, it did. You keep asking for "facts." What kind of facts would satisfy you?You don't have any facts, just subjective hearsay, and SR doesn't back you publicly, as I stated above. Cheers George |
And, you found out that SR steers people to what they think is a sane discussion on their fuses. But when it comes to the backing up the user comments SR points to, their silence is deafening. As they never say themselves, not even close, what you fusers are saying these "snake oil" fuses can do. Cheers George |
I asked you what facts would satisfy you? ... You asked here it is again. I think all of us, would like to hear from Synergistic Research themselves, personally saying the same as what is said here by the "Awesome Foursome" and others regarding the "massive increase in sound quality" that these mains fuses give, and the "directional ability" they have also, over a good quality standard $2 new fuse. Cheers George |
Highly respected designer Dennis Had director/founder of "Cary Audio", opinion on snake oil fuses ect. https://youtu.be/xLQsEeBKg1E?t=1791 This is all you potential fusers need to know, forget the "snake oil’ being preached. As this is what happens to any fuse (including the "snake oil" ones) that have seen too many turn on cycles, it’s called fuse ageing with "switch on surges", as there’s far more current goes through it at the moment of switch on than any other time, as it has to charge up empty power supply caps ect.Cheers George |
As to your suggestion to Geoff, didn’t you know that he doesn’t really LISTEN to music? We all know that, you just have look at his avatar to see what he’s into. And this is his! http://sshc.in/voodoo-dolls-black-magic-voodoo-love-spells-evil-spirits/ Cheers George |
I found out I had the big "C" 6 weeks ago and I have an op on the 1st. Previous to this I was more than likely angry, but let it out here.Nothing but well wishes for you on the 1st mate, you’ve got some great docs up there in Qld. If you want I’ll look after the AMG for for you while you recover. Best sound ever, next to an old Ducati bevel drive with Conti’s at full tilt. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnL_yEdZclI Cheers George |
If you got the kickstart wrong it'd boot you over the handlebars, or bark your shin raw. That was before the new 750 motor came out. Should have taken warning when I bought in Sydney and rode home to Canberra in the dark, rain and Winter. Took days to thaw out.Been there done that and got the stuffed up knee to prove it. Cheers George |
Dear Moderators ... gdhal Yeah, but he wouldn’t know the reason, I posted it up before and they couldn’t see the forest through the trees.. Cheers George |
I’ll put it up again, maybe the tree lopers have been in. It’s a very dangerous practise substituting a fast blow fuse for a slow blow, could even be lethal, when the original manufacturers one was a fast blow. As there are many specs to calculate to which one/type is used. As there are all the currents which dictates fast or slow blow. Switch-on surge current Idle current. How much bias current is applied And how many watts into what loads. Cheers George |
Q Who is substituting a fast blow for a slow blow fuse? Geoff???? You know very well, don’t play dumb. With the Synergistic Research fuses that were blowing for no reason, even though they were the correct amperage. Those brains trusts here with no tech skills whatsoever were advocating to either go higher in amperage or to use slow blow. Both of which is extremely dangerous practices to do. Just go back a read through these pages, you find them. Cheers George |
I couldn’t find anything in the above to indicate your implications on post removals and indiscriminate treatment. 🤔 Who implicated post removals, wow, you’ve have got a bad case of the Heebie-jeebies. Didn’t say that if you read it, I insinuated you couldn’t "see the forest through the trees" back then, but now maybe now you could because the tree lopers have given your mind better vision to see the forest with. Wow talk about ***** Cheers George |
I don’t know. Scout’s honor. ✌️ Yeah right, I’m going to believe a "guy" with a voodoo doll as his avatar. You’ll just have to look Geoff, could have even been in the SR Black thread. I know it’s there, so do you, use your dolls powers. You even knew it was bad info, as you had the sense and pulled back on it, knowing someone "could" get hurt saying this ****.. Cheers George |
We can't read between the lines when what's between the lines are in your head. Your the one with the Heebie-jeebies. and now it may have voices in there too. Cheers George |
