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The imperfect amp: Pass or Ayre?

There are two high end SS amp brands which, from a technical perspective, don’t do very well, which I am thinking of:

Ayre and Pass.

Pass has stated that even ordered distortion is euphonic. Ayre’s zero feedback, diamond circuit has a great deal of distortion compared to the very best measuring amps.

I have to admit, that like an IPA vs. a Belgian White, I have a very strong preference, but my preference is not canon. It is just how my wallet moves me. You should in no way feel like my tastes matter. Buy what makes you giddy with joy.

Would you, kind lady or gentleman, tell us if you have heard both, what did you think?? Is this to narrow? Would you throw another brand into the ring??
erik_squires

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georgehifi
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You don’t buy an amplifier or audio gear... to measure it.... you buy to listen to it.

But you need to listen to it at home, "if" you understand the specs and bench tests, you can make a decision to take it home in the first place or not and not waste time, as dealers will sell you anything.
Also all your equipment is designed using these measurements and tests, then the designer listens to it, and if necessary makes changes using again those measurements and bench tests.
If you have any equipment that wasn’t made using these measurements and test, then you have junk!
Cheers George
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I agree with others responding to this guy’s post- endless obvious trolling with an overt agenda to look for issues with Pass products- Just weird frankly.

Stop with the nonsense about technical imperfections!
Eric, why do you keep chasing bad sound after bad sound? If you've gotten a Pass Amp at the beginning, you wouldn't be in the situation your in now.

 Why would anyone "start threads" wanting others to "post up negatives" on a public forum, if not to denigrate that product themselves.
(a passed, Pass scarred man is what I see)

It’s ok if you post up these negatives yourself Eric in debate over Pass amps on threads, but to start threads asking others to do it for you is, well?? a bit like hiding behind the bushes and throwing stones.

Cheers George
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georgehifi
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Real class Eric🤢 
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georgehifi
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Once again Eric, real class🤢
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gdnrbob He just want to find out why people find Pass amps are so desirable.

Really, then maybe I don't understand what the following means:

erik_squires OP Whatever it is Pass fanatics rave about it grates on me.


👌 That just says it all.
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We can never judge hifi audio components with bunch of numbers (measurements).
It’s what all "good" designers use to make their components, yes they also listen at the end and change those "numbers/measurements" to suit.
There is no voodoo involved!
And if you have components that were built not doing this, then you most certainly have a pile of junk!

Cheers George
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From Nelson Pass, "I have numerous designs using ZGNFB"
This is zero "global" negative feedback, just like Ayre is trying to make you believe by shortening it and saying Zero Feedback.
Both will then have to be using a "local feedback loop" around the front end of the amp.
It’s advertising BS by Ayre to say "no Feedback!" on a solid state amp.
Any difference in amps sound will be because of other factors if they both have either global or local feed backs.

This thread seem again to be fishing for Pass bashing ammo yet again.
You give no tech reason behind wanting to denigrate it, just hoping that fishing for a reason, someone will present one for you.

And BTW bashing "God" (NP) is blasphemous.

Cheers George
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