Dear pindac, Am I supposed to search in the ''endless'' MM thread for
your discussion on ''this subject'' or other ''discussions''?
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Thera are, generaly speking, two mothods for learning. One is ''from
our eperience'', the other ''from our errors''. I wil ''eleaborate'' on the later.
Those usualy start with some confession. My is that I spend an
fortune on straigthening the cantilevers by cartridges which I purchased
with strath cantievers. .The first question was why my friend retipper
Axel Schurholz as well my new friend retipper from Poland never told
me that this was not , say, necessary? But the other question provided
the answer: why should they?
The other question is more difficult to answer: what or how deed al
those straith cantolever become ''deviant'' . The only answer is that
some of my cartrideges felt negloected. Mind you I owned +60 samples.
As everybody else I had also my darlings. 10 of those ''pre-adjusted''
in their own headshell such that I was able to change them in 5 min.
time on my beloved FR-64 S. (''S'' for steel as well SILVER). .
But I need to wait for Dover In order to check my presupposition.
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edgewear, Thanks to be so kind not to take my ascription to fysical
things their own will. I am certainly not Kantian. But I need to correct
your assumtion about my ''negletcion'' of my ''collection'' of + 60 carts..
I stated this for them . Those wich are never or only occasionaly
used have the right to feel neglected. What other possibility for
revenge could they have? All other things are not movable.
I wish you were my neighbour so I could be put you in front
of my Kiseki Agaat ( ''the beauty''') before connecttion with
the grooves and in the grooves during the act of playing.
You would than trust your own experience as usual . I will
however not propose such ''expiment '' to Raul...
because I know his answer in advance :'' it is all about
distortions''.
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Dear edgewear, I am willing to exchange 30 of my cartridges for your Lapis
Lazuli. You will than get 60 and I ONLY 30 cartrideges. The inventor of the
whole Kiseki story was aware of the problem. For thiese who could not
afford Lapis Lazuli he produced the so called ''poor man Lapis Azuli.'. Aka
Black heart . The ''on;y'' difference being boron cantiler and wood instead
of diamond cantiever and Lapis Lazuli jewel, Only available in Afganistan,
I am not sure if I should inform youa bout this. But ''at present'' as Marlene
Ditrich stated wondering why American women are so poorly clothed
''at present one can get decent clothes for ony 100000 $''
My assertion was ''based o induction''. Like sky is the limit in America
so everyone can become rich in America, I as mentioned I spend a fortune
on my cruked cantievers so the only one with such ''deviation;'' is my
Kiseki Agaat. This is common practice at present. Becouse Russia
invaded Ukraine all European country expact Russian invasion. So all
of them increased military spending and souranded Russin Nord borders.
But meanwhlle there is invasion from the oppistww side with imigrants
from all Africa an midle East. Withouth any weapons. So tehy know how
to defend thesemlf from Putin but have no idea how to defend themself
from the imigrants. I fear USA has similar problem?
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wolfie 62,
Curious that you answer the question about the ''subject matter''
which you don't understand.
The most MC carts have an cover plate above the genarator but
some are nacked or as EMT by wich the genrator is visible.
On the generator one can see ttwo srews on both sides. Those are .
I assume , to ''center '' the cantilever. The tension wire is fastened in
the so called ''joint pipe'' (aluminum tube) in which front side cantilever
is gluead and coils at its back side.. Those are called ''the moving parts''..
The moving parts are connected with the generator on which front side
the damper function as a part ''between''. The usual wire is piano
string fastened at the back side of the generator. At this end of the
generator the wire can''t be reached or (re) adjusted. But one the
body of the generator there are two srews which are the only pssible
means to ''correct'' the wire. tension. If, say, the cantlever ''devition ''
is on the left side the screw on the opposite side can be used to ''center''
the cantilever. One can put tjis also ''otherwise'', Say the damper left side
is as function of time weakened so by pressure on the tension wire
one can compensate the weakening of the damper on this side.
Your other question is about ''generality'' by which you mean ''ALL
KINDS OF CARTS'''. Say MM as well MC. To me this is like
comparing apples with pears. Or to understan MM thread ''stricto
sensu'' in the sense ''not allowed for MC kinds''. But J.Carr proposed
to include OTHER KINDS in thie ''MM'' thread.
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ANTI-SKATE involved in the ASSERTIONS (aka ''premise''). We all
think in the same way: from premise to conclusions or deduction.
The DIFFERENCE is DIFFERENT PREMISES. In this context
the LOGIC rules: wrong premise = wrong deductions or conclusions,
There is consensus in our forum that there is no consensus about
anti-skate.
My first test record contained an part between grooves without grooves.
The so called ''blank-side''. To get the ''right skate'' the stylus should
stay in the same position; aka no skating of any kind= ''REST''.
Van den Hul was the first who, to my knowledge, warned against this
assumption (=premise). I was shoked because I owned my first tonearm
Sony 237 toghether with ADC 25 . The assumption was ''the hiigher the
price the better product''. According to the Emglish saying: ''I am not
rich to buy cheap stuff''. My Sony had an ingenious provision for anti-
skate designed to work in accordandance to record surface distaces.
Even the stylus shape was accounted for. Curiously ( ?) there was no
''copycat'' of this invention. Ergo : in the GROOVE cantilever/stylus combo
work different as on or at ''blank side''. Well the their TASK is to follow the
GROOVE. I..E the groove has , so to speak , the ''leading function''.
That is how I got my conclusions.
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boxcarman,
Logic apply for all languages while each languge has its own grammar Try to
state whaever withouy ''X is P'' simple grammar construction. That is
the known ''subject is predicat'' costruction. Very poor for science.
Try to get some lessons in logic.
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boxcarman, I made an mistake. Logic is to much to ask. Check instead ''staw man''
strategy by ''discussion.'' .
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Dear edgewear, you may be also interested in HIS as well my ''suspicion''
about misterious Mr. Fokadu? My is Kondo san. The reasons : he was the
only friend in Japan of Van den Dungen. They shared the obssesion with
tubed tubed amps. Anyway it is cetrain that he designed all 3 Kiseki
transformers. . For those who ''long for an Kondo SUT'' but can't afford
one the chance to get one Kondo for aa bargain price (grin).
Alesandro think that Dynavectro made them based on the PARTS.
But ,say, Benz produce qll paarts except cantilever/styus combo.
Van den Hul buy all ''his'' parts from Benz. The other also,say
Brinkmann. The ''problem'' with Alesandro is tha Nandric is as
self-willed as Alesandro.
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The MC's produced on Mars seem to be much better than those
produced on Jupiter. But three is no consensus about MM kinds.
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judsauce, Simply pass over. The thread is obviously to complex for you.
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Assertion that anti-skate causes crooked cantilevers IMPLY that NO ánti-skate
dees the same in opposite direction. .
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Dear edgewear,
I forget to mention to you in the context of Lapis Lazuli this. There is an
italiaan admirer of Kisek's with the name Alesandro. For his Lapis lazuli
which he listed on ''audio-markt.de'' he asked 10000 euro. This anyway
imply money value as valutation of this cart.
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wolfie 62, The thread is about dampers, tension wire and position of
the cantilever. You had nothing to say about any of those. The sense
of any discussion are the ''topics'' in caus.
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Dear edgwear, As support for Nandric ''thesis'' about his and Alesandro's character
I must mention that all Blue Kiseki's , which BTW I all own are 5,2 Ohms . Two of
''Kondo's'' SUT's are made for those. The 40 Ohm kinds are an enigma to me..
But as I also mentioned (?) my Kiseki Agaat has ''deviantt cantilever''. My on
induction based argument ( from one to ALL) is this same Agaat.. Despite
crooked cantilever when it really counts the beauty behave as a real LADY.
and folllows the grooves in straight ''position''. Otherwise ''she'' could not
be described as a BEAUTY .
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Dear mjiostyn, I hate mathematics my whole life and ''it'' icludes
geomatry. So I have no idea what you are tolking about.
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Dear pindac, You remind me of ''pubic servants'': why simple if complex
is possible.? My short question is what function have those two screwa on
each side of the generator? Each of my crooked cantiever was corrected
by either Axel Schurholz or my new Polish 'rettier''. The Polish one much
cheaper because East Europeans need (more) time to accommodate to
Western prices. If this job is so easy to do there must be some easy way to
fix the problem. ''Easy'' means ''simple''?
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Dear edgewear, From wrong assertio or premise one can not get
triue conclusions. Your premise is that whole series Bleu is 40 Ohms
while all are 5,2 ohms . For those Kondo san designed 2 SUT's ,
One of them is made from SILVER .Probable from 100 year old
ITALIAN SILVER. This may be the reason for Alessandro's
admiration. BTW for this one one should be looking . Than those
40 Ohm in between and your Lazuli as well my Black heart are again
5,2 Ohm . The nr 3 SUT is made for both 5.2 as well 40 Ohm but
one need to switch between them with ALL intermediary wire, Not
what one would call ''pure ' or conssequent solution . .
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Dear pindac, I think that you have no understanding of damper function
in connection with coil former. The coil is pressed against damper
with tension wire. So tension wire ''center'' the cantilever. Those two
srews on the generator are connected with tension wire, By pressing
one or the other side the cantolever position can be changed. Aka
''corrected''. Otherwise their function would be incomprehensible,
Today my son and I checked the Agaat with ''deviant cantlever''
iby playing records. The stylus is straith in the grooves, Ergo the
grooves center the cantllever. The coill / damper combo follow
the stylus in the groove. Those are very ''small'' presures . Try
to move the stylus /cantilever with very smal pressure to see
how ''elastic'' they are . In most cases 2 g VTF is used . This
actully cqn;t be called ''weight''.
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Dear edgewear, Hume's ''proudness of ownership'' make no sense if
one has no idea what all he owns. I think that he was very poor man.
Those can certainly remember what they own. The ''abundance'' of
of my carts collection is illustration. I forget to mention Shinon Red
boron. If you look at this cart you can se ''the same parts''' as by Kiseki.
This was curiously the argument for Alessandro to state that
Dynavector produced Kiseki's. To me this means that one could
buy parts by Dynavector as by Benz. But ''parts'' of Kondo-san
cart would be obvious as parts of Kiseki. This than would not
need expanation for the misterious Mr. Fokadu.
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Dear edgewear, I am very sorry to see your reaction. I very much enjoy discussion
with you. Now regarding dover I am as surprised as you are. I can't imgaine any
reason for him not to like me. Except for my reference to New Zealand as Dutch
Zeeland, But he is an American so he should not feel insulted by my jokes
about New Sealand. BTW it is Zeeland . I know this Province in Holland ..
As an scientist he probably want to first check my finding with his own
experiment. If those don't produce the same result he maybe so polite not to
contradict my ''theory'' in order not to embarrass his forum friend,
not
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Mijostyn,I have no idea where you live. Alaska? But in Holland for ''those prices''
the TT, the tonearm as well the cart are installed by the dealer. Do you missed
all those arguments of our beloved Dover? How many (whole) STEREO''S he
installed for his customers. Their rewards caused by gratude was such that
he was able to move to(Dutch ) New Sealand and enjoy ''rich live'' at distance
from the poluted USA of America, with better wine than those made in
California not to mention HOLY WATER my real reason to visit him there.
I certainly need ''some'' at my age. As ONE can conclude from my thought s
about Hume I am not poor. So can buy my own wine there and be independant
from dover's hospitality consisting of an half glas of wine.
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Dear pindac, It is the other way round. It is called student paradox. If an
student does not understand whatever his professor has stated he will
no blame professor but himself. The professor is an genius and I am
not sufficient smart to understand him. Examples in abundace. Each
and every German know who Kant and Hegel are but hardly any have
heard about Frege the father of modern logic. I eeded to learn English
because tthe most information about Frege was in English
Take Wittgenstein as example. I have no idea what he counts as
phylosphy but in his ''phylosopical invetigation'' he wrote 10000
phylosphical REMARKS while an normal person can remember, say,
about 10. Who would expect support for such ''modest opinion'' about
human mind?
Well I got it from Fermi ''from'' particle physics by particle physicist.
He stated;''If i was smarter I coud rememeber more of those particles''.
When I read your post I feel like ''those students''.
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About ''egos'' or members. There ara those who think that their
English is a kind of priviledge in intellectual sense. I got remarks
as : ''your English is second languge.'' . My answer was
''my English is my 5th language''. I got no answer from this
''tickheaded person''. They don't grasp that their own forum
is international. I myself was seen as the member of the
''German group'' (with my beloved ''der Tonearm'' and Syntax).
If someone is to blame for my English thsn our Lew.
I decaalred him as my English teacher. so those who intend
to blame MY English should address their post to Lew.
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pindac, this tread is not about you nor me. So nether ego is involved. The
topic is about ''function together of mentioned ''parts'' + LP groove.
The grammar force us to put everything in ''subject-predicate'' sentence
form but grammar has problems with ''relational'' phenomena's. Now
I am not talking about defective cantilevers nor dampers nor tension
wire. But about wat I named ''deviations''. One can see deviation of the
cantilever from ''straight'' position. If one own an +5K cart this may be
called ''shocking'' experiece The poorer kind among us also by +200$.
But if we know that ''small deviation from straigth'' is not ''what it looks
like'' we can sleep well. The first to blame is not cantilever but damper.
We all know (?) that as ''function of time'' they can ''harden'' or 'dry
out'' or become ''weak'' or ''to soft''. We deed not yet mention ''low
riders''. But we do remember those phantastic Technics 205 (?)
kinds which become wortless because of the ''soft damber. No way
to fix those. Not only ''monetary'' loss but also ''sentimental'' kind.of
sorrow.
So we have , speaking in language of formula's, 4 variables. The only
''one'' that I am not sure about are those 2 srews on the generator.
That is why I asked for DOVER'S help. But the (Dutch) New Sealand
PRIMA DONNA feels probably ''insulted' one way or the other and
refuse to cooperate. I changed my mind about him and will not visit
him in his new country. Besides I can buy my own wine from Italy or
France. Compared to HIS who would care about New ZEELAND kind?
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Dear pindac, the expression ''it depends'' is short and easy to remembar and
very smart as reminder not to use quantifier ALL when starting from our
own opinion. I owned all Ikeda's FR 7 kinds. Those are from the 80is.
Each of them was perfect in technical sense but I decided to keep F7,ez.
I also got after waiting for for 2 years his REX, the cantileveless kind.
Both are my most precious ''darlings''. No idea how he deed ''it'' but I have
never heard complaints about his dampers. In contradistinction the recent
purchased ZYX had defective damper. I ever started an thread about
IRREPARBLE carts. To my big surprise nobody was interested. My
reason was Sony XL 88D (D for diamond ). I am not sure if back than
acrilic existed so i will name it ''plastic body''. Gloed together and provided
with damping material inside to dampen resonaces. But there was no
way to get IN for any repair. So my friend Axel Shurholz, who described
this ''stuff'' as glue was not able to fix this ''wonder''. Our architect
from Australia calld AUSSIE declared this cart as the best he
ever owned. Mori-san made two innovations for this XL sereis.
8 form coils and internal damping. In the 80is one could buy
an Volkswagen for its price. So whatever the function of time
may be ''deterioration'' is not always the case. BTW also
all my Kiseki's from the 80 are much better then the ''brand
new'' kind. The later are ''collectivly'' offered for sale while
my Agaat and Black heart are nowhere to find.
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Dear Lew, I don't remember exact what Caesar said to Briuus but by
approximation : ''ET TU, BRUTE!''. Tha is how I feel with your
''support'' for your student. Mind you you very well know who
my ''best proffesor of my life'' was despit the fact that I never have
seen him but leaned from him by his books and articles, G.Frege
the GREAT. In similar way I try to learn from you English. I have
never forget your writer inclination and talent. To put this otherwise
I enjoyed all you post despite the fact tha deed not undersand aything you
had to say. Copicat is at present ''the method'' of lerning. Look
at all those mobile phones. There is a new definition of poverty.
Not lack of bread but lack of I-phone is considerd as such.
Anyway I expect from you at least support against this ''fake''
New Zeelander . Whatever their wiine it has nothing to do with
HIM.
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Dear Lew, You should not use American abreviation by addressing
foreigners who already have difficulty to undertsanr your eloquent
English.''As simple as possible but not simpler ''as you ever stated
to be your credo. I have no idea what WAM means.
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kennes, I don't believe I mentioned ''stylus angle'' in my thread. 4 variables
are obviously not sufficient for you. The most people can hardly handle
2 as the sentnce form prove : X is P. In place of variable X one can put
whatever name one like and in place of P as predicate varibale whatever
''property'', ''qualification'',or ''condemnation'', one want. My point was
that the cantilever must follow ''YOUR STYLUS'' in both directions: vertical
as well horizontal while this is allowed by damper's elasticity in both named
direction. If the cantileevr /stylus combo refuse to do so than either the
damper is dry out or to soft . In this case whatever shape your stylus may
have you will not get any sound from all 4 variables values,
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Dear pindac, I am an suspicious creature and think that you invented an
difficult to ''grasp'' variation on ''strow man'' strategy. My intentions
are not hiden. Anyone can try his '''not straith cantilever'' to check my
assertion. Those who start with the whole adjustments procedure in
''static position'' obviously have forgotten the words of our first
real scientis Galileo : ''it moves''. Despite all the dangers of
Catholic inquisition. He also was the firat who refute Aristoteles
physics who dominated western education for 2000 years.
Based on his authority. That is why back than there was no
discrimintion betweem ''authority'' and ''verity''.
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Pindac, To check my finding you need an cart with deviation to the left or
right side from straight and than simply repeat my experiment. If you don't
get the same result , aka straight cantilever during the play than my ''theory''
is wrong provided the damper is not defective. If the damper is defective
you can't play an rocord. Either the cantileevr will not move at all or it will
colapse becaiuse the damper is to sofd (low rider. )
Whatever description of the result in the sense of denial or confirmation
will than do..
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I am realy sorry for ONE more post to my own thread but those numbers
forced me , so to speak, to think about them. In context with Wittgenstein.
I was skeptical about his understaning about what phylosophy is about.
The reason? His ''phylosophical investigation'' . In ''there'' he made
10000 phylosophical remarsk while in my opinion is that an normal
person can rememer, say, 10. I also got some support from ''particle
physics'' .
Now according to Raul the main target of this forum is that teach memeber
can learn to improve listening experience.
So I thought about thiose numbers and was able to see his numbers of post: 12307.
But this is even more than the, say, modest 10000 by
Wittgenstain.
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Yes Raul this thread is about me. I am damper. tension wire , cantilever and
stylus. All 4 variables work togther as myself. There are limtless ways to
use ''straw man'' strategy. My I remind you abot you past? When you
bought , say, 25 cartridges and posted to Axel Schurjolz for ''refreshnemt''
without even listen to them first? I have never seen any post of you in
wjich parts of your beloved carts are even mentioned . My quess is that
you have no idea how an MC cart looks inside. But you do often mention
LEVELS OF knowledge in Kantian sense . Aka that you own this quality or
capability A PRIORI. Delevered by Raul tor Raul.
You must have at least one cart with ''deviant cantilever'' in your collection
as I do. People start with some assertion believen it to be true and act in accordingly with their assertion. My was that any deviation from straight
meant defective cantikever. But I never tested tthis assertion but posted them
direct to Axel Schurholz NOT FOR REFRESHMENT but to get ''my cantileevr '' straight.
You could check my new EGO by putting any of your cart with deviant cantiever
to test and THAN either DENY OR CONFIRM my experiment.
BTW there can be only one PRIMA DONNA in our forum. You was but
at present we have one other. The fake New Zeelander. Whatever the
wine there he has, in your own terminoly, much HIHGER LEVEL OF
KNOWLEDGE REGARDING OUR hobby.. However he OBVIOUSLY
DOES NOT HAVE ANY CART WITH DEVIANT CANTILEVER SO NOT
IN THE POSITION TO DENY OR CONFIRM Nandric ''THEORY''.
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There is this ''curious'' theory that ''NUMBERS DON"T LIE''. I WAS
SURPRISED TO SEE HOW MANY CONTRIBUTION i MADE TO
THIS FORUM: + 4000. But in comparisson with Rauls 12307.
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The numbers in other ''function''. Instead to check my finding by simply
repetition of my ''expeiment'' Raul made the effort to count the numbers
of my posts in relation to other posts. The ressult : 37 by Nandric from
the TOTAL of (ONLY) 58 by others. . What kind of ''argument'' is this?
I would say that this says more about Raul than Nandric. .
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pindac, regarding semantics you are at the right address. I am student of
logic, semantics and phylosophy of language for 30 years. But we are not
talking about semantics but about an experiment which can be done by
anyone. If they can't repeat the experiment this means denial of
my ''proposition'' or if they do confirmation. As you can SEE this is not
about semantics. I already have try to make this clear to you but obiviously
without succes. Do you own any cart with ''deviant cantilever''? I don't
believe this because if you deed you would repeat experiment and
not mess with definitions or explanation of words.
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My support from particle physiscs was ''slightly'' different than my quote.
Fermi stated ''if I could rememeber the names of those partcles I would
have been a botanist''.
But my promblem is to explain how it is possible to get support from
particle physics but not from ''our own Dover'? I think to have found the
reason. As we all know he owns the best everiting in collectors sense:
the best TT's, the best tonearms, the best amps, the best SUT, etc.
the best. But my insult made by impliction of my insinuation was that
he OWNS A CART with ''deviant cantilever''. Can you imagine such thing
by one perfectionist? But I only needed help for those damn screws on
both sides of the generator, I have pretty good idea what they are for
but am not sure. Even If I was willing to destroy one of my own carts
I have no idea how to do this. Those are smal metal tubes while i own two left
hands. So the cheapest and most smart thing to do was to ask our second
authority regarding the knowledge of analog everything. But alas the
damage done can't be restored.
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Curious that we all hope on ''extension'' of our hobby with more members
but proposed ''interplanitary'' extension by @ terraplane8bob got no
attention at all.
Also the problem with two screws which I ''suspected'' to have somtehing
to do with tension wire is solved. Instead waiting for dovers help I simply
asked my Polish retipper who, alas, only speaks Polish. The problem
with them is when you ask ''are you Slavic?'' their answer is ''no we are
catholic'', He uees some , probably Japanese translator so we needed
some time to understand each other. I was not sufficient brave to ask
him if he speaks Russian. However he affirmed that those (damn) srews
are for the tension wire.
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