The Big Misconception About Electricity
This vid goes quite a ways down the road to explaining why:
1) Power cords make a not so subtle difference.
2) Cable elevators should not be looked at askance.
Regards, barts
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For sure Tesla was not the only scientist to know and being interested by Maxwell and Hertz discoveries in audio waves? This is common place... British scientists Wilson and Evans do remote control wireless experiments at the same time than Tesla ...It is true but Tesla was the first in US... Like for the x-ray photography simultaneously discovered by him in US and Roentgen in Germany... So what? Radio was created at different few countries in the world by some, even Russia revendicate the invention of radio... Tesla is the creator of the first alternate current motor, not an advocate of AC....Edison was an advocate against him for DC for pure business reason..Nikola Tesla and George Westinghouse built the first hydro-electric power plant in Niagara Falls and started the electrification of the world. This is a fact.... Edison was a tinkerer and a businessman not Tesla... With all his creations behind him he developed another idea about electricity than Einstein, so what? Nobody knows what is electricity till this day....Maxwell use the phenomenological observations in electricity and magnetism of Faraday and others and mathematize all that... But describing precisely a phenomenan mathematically is not an ex-planation... Quantum mechanics is precisely described to the n’th decimals and nobody know what quantum Mechanic means either... Tesla criticized Einstein but nobody know to this day which one is right about the ultimate meaning of electricity.... Recently 2 Russsians physicist created their own enterprise, after analysing the Tesla patents and vouch to recreate Wardenclyffe tower vouching that this will work...I am not competent to judge , but if 2 russian physicists look at it seriously perhaps Tesla was not ONLY a "tinkerer"....Anyway anybody calling Tesla a "tinkerer" is badly informed sorry....Edison was.... By the way my point here is not about the validity of Tesla ideas at Wardenclyffe, but my point is if that 2 Russian physicists BELIEVE nowadays that is is an interesting experiment that means something about Tesla... Then succeess or not of their enterprise is not my point..... No "tinkerer" will interest true physicists one hundred years after his death.....You catch the point? I dont know if the electrical model of the universe made sense it is over OUR heads here, but Tesla was NEVER a "tinkerer"...No tinkerer ever accumulated more patents in electricity than a Steinmetz for example....The three, Tesla, Einstein and the "sorcerer" Steinmetz are together in this rare photo...No tinkerer here...
http://getcorp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Analysis-of-Teslas-patents-and-diaries_en_v2.pdf
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Good remark from my astute mechanic friend!
But remember the association by Weber of the capitalism progress LINKED to the protestantism mentality in his wotld famous book : "the Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism"... Why this is so titled? Because in the protentism also, the only thing that was changing in the conception of man was not the way he was perceived to be by catholic church: body/soul only...But the thing that changede is that individual man is "free" to enrich itself because it is God will IF HE SUCCEED...Why do you think come some much books in america about "how do i succeed in my career and with money ? In the protestantism the tyranny of the Pope was replaced by the tyranny of the BOOK...Like in Islam... Calvin even thought that man was never free really but predestined... Like an automaton created by God... Then in BOTH Catholicism or protestantism, man lost his TRUE freedom when he loose the truth of what he is : body/soul/ spirit...But with Luther Man is free to do business without the church consent... BUT and here my friend observation was crucial, like in the byzantine orthodox church in some protestant mystical movements the claim of a direct contact with God outside of the power of the book was possible.. but they were persecuted all over... Some come to America...But the general protestantism was also under the spell of the tyranny of BOOK truth over freedom...Protestantism is not a homogenous movement...But save for the mystical aspect of some protestant movement, general protestantism never differ of the catholic about man duality: body and soul, no spirit... Save for the mystical fringe for sure in all religions... This is the reason why i did not mention protestantism, because general protestantism movement in general did not contradict the tyranny of authorities over man freedom...Protestantism only contested the Pope not the religious dogma about the bi- partite reductive constitution of man...Only mystics of all religions did so... Mystics in all traditions by the way NEVER accpted the reduction of man to be only body and soul, be protestant or catholic or sufi... Why the sufi were so persecuted under coranic tyranny of the book, especially the sufis mystics ? because all mystics know by experience that man is body/soul/ and spirit and that any man can enter in direct contact with God...... They are persecuted by official religions or suspected of heresy all the times because of that freedom they illustrate and proclaim ... This is the reason why i love so much mystic of all religions and so much less any religions... There is no idiotic mystic generally and no idiotic mathematicians generally.... these was my favorite matters of interest because of this fact....Philosophers are less enlightened especially if they are nor mystic nor mathematician... 😁 my deepest respect to my friend here.... |
For me the deepest revolution that encompass all the others discoveries is the dismissing of materialism , it is now becoming more and more a sterilizing hypothesis in all field, in neurology for example (Karl Friston)...
If we resume all the history of philosophy for the last 2 millenia in the Occidental world in few words these will be : In the ancient past, in the Eleusis mysteries or in Egypt Temples (universities) man was recognized EXPERIMENTALLY to be constituted by 3 level of realities: body/soul/spirit... Then come Christianity and the council fathers just after the Roman empire adopted christianity with Constantine, and then it was a decree of the council fathers that man has a soul and a body, but no spirit of his own, ( In the latine Church, it was slightly different for orthodoxy which stay more true to his Greek roots) If he want to enter in contact with God he must rely on the AUTHORITY of the church... He cannot by his own if not he is heretical then dead...Guess why this was so decreted? To maintain the empire and the Church power over the soul.... After that in the 2 last centuries after the industrial revolution, especially culminating with the transhumanist cult nowadays, man was affirmed to own only a body.... Do you catch the problem? This is the deep trend under all philosophical debates for 2 millenia .... I cannot prove it here and enter into the details...Too long... What do we see on the world wide theater now? A return to the true consciousness of tripartite constitution of man; body/soul/spirit... Very enlightening times indeed ! Do you think an A.I. will even have a body? A.I. have no body.... An assembly of part mechanically moving is not a body... Even if it could mimic a body...life is in no way mechanical nor a computable engine like think Stephen Wolfram so wise he is... Guess what, some want to interface and immerse themselves with A.I. and some want to sell this...Guess who want to sell this ? How could we be more blind? Electricity is a natural phenomena linked also to the evolution living organism, on thre level of reality, material, and also with plant on another level or scale connected with quantum phenomena which i will call "etheric" because i dont have other words...For the last level alsi electricity manifest by his polarity something very deep... Tesla simply know that.... It is my hypothesis... Being a truly spiritual man like his mother was, by the way she was also an inventive woman, he never surrender his freedom to the monstruous cartel of corporations willing to use his genius at will... They pull the plug of his research money when they see that it was impossible to restrain him...And the greatest inventor since many centuries died poor and ridiculed but working till his death without ever any possibility to experiment anymore...Einstein is a genius in theoretical physic, Tesla was not that, but he was the greatest inventor since very long time....We only know today thanks to the nobel prize attributed to Einstein for the photoelectrcal effect that electricity mysteries is deeper thant man was thinking in Maxwell time...Deeply immersed in quantum mechanics... This monstruous cartel of bankers dominated the world right now...They catch the Us with the creation of the federal central bank, which is a totally private bank... And now the sleepwalkers crowds war between themselves like in the Jonathan Swift novel, and insult themselves, demoncrat against republican... Guess who profit of all that? A clue : it is not the catholic empire no more.... Read some books to know who.... 😁😊
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Myself i cannot judge the validity of these ideas to the cosmos for sure... Then i let you argue... I only know that we dont know what electricty is... Is electricity could explain something in cosmology .... Probably... Is electrical model valid for cosmology? i dont know....But i guess being not a scientist that there is something in it... I cannot go further save for this... Recent discoveries ( Gobeke tepli) EXPLODE completely our understanding of the past... One thing is almost certain, ancient mythologies reflect our ancestors experiences in symbolic coding more truthfully than British anthropology from Frazer for example suggested to us at the times... «Hamlet’s Mill: An Essay Investigating the Origins of Human Knowledge and Its Transmission Through Myth (first published by Gambit, Boston, 1969) by Giorgio de Santillana (a professor of the history of science at MIT) and Hertha von Dechend (a scientist at Johann Wolfgang Goethe-Universität) is a nonfiction work of history and comparative mythology» This is only an exemple.... This book is very erudite and cannot be read lightly at all... It is already an old book , criticized at the times but not by all authorities... Gobeke tepli discovery and his revelations go in the direction of this book thesis... Than rejecting myths in the fantasy basket is ridiculous and non scientific at all.... There is actually a COMPLETE REVOLUTION about our understanding of our own history.... One of the main discovery is about the fact that our ancestors were very pragmatic not only dreamers of fantasy painting walls... Science illuminate by new hypothesis the " ancient mysteries" around the mediterranean sea teachings for example and for the first time we begin to understand what is behind the monotheistic religions... Interesting times on all fields...
«Did we just not discover a Mc Intosh amplifier in a pyramid?»-Groucho Marx 🤓 « Almost better than that, we uncover the Antykythera mechanism brother»-Harpo Marx
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Simple....Rich gullible dummies dont read about elementary acoustic and think the sound they listen to comes directly from the speakers they bought and the amplifier and the dac... Scientologists included... Anyway money is the only thing people prefer to intelligence....Studying is not a life entrerprise for scientologist and most people...
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i agree completely with you... But remind yourself that Trudeau does not decide anything deep long term even if he would be able to do...No leaders save dictators have the illusion to govern...And even most dictators dont govern truly...They pilot to survive like Xi with the CCP...The forces who govern the world are not in the news ...Sorry.... Do you know how Macron get elected? Do you know the name of an unelected OFFICIAL institution where for example, if a murder is comitted , no police could ever inquire nor accuse the murderer? Do you know the name of one of the most powerful leader unelected of the world for whom Trudeau, Trump, or Biden or Bill Gates are ridiculous ignorant pawn in a game? Dont look in ANY journals or news for the name even.... The name is not there save in very FEW rare moment... ... Have you ever listen to a documentary about one of the most powerful institution in the world whose name 99% of people ignore? After a search few years ago even in youtube there was none about this institution...His story is passionnate to read about in how many books do you think? They have an official front page on the net though... Best secret are never hidden from view completely it is a rule in detective story, something is never best hidden than in plain sight... Only in the last decade these animals are there for us to see more vividly... This health crisis is a benediction in fact, and truly, so negative it is, because people will awake to the forces hidden completely in the past... Their power is so great and just to be increased with A.I. tomorrow, they consider themselves the ONLY future for humanity.... A man like Klaus Schwab who represent these forces, who is himself a pawn and a parrit, a man like this OFFICIALLY on a podium for all to see, with a book of his own, pRESCRIBING the future, this was impossible completely 20 years ago... These dark forces emerge to the light NOW so sure of their power...they even officially described the future... Astounding... But before Klaus Schwab who is only a spokeperson, atruly genius man said the EXACT SAME THING 300 hundred years aho and created modern economy and modern society.... Only Bernard Mandeville, the greatest economist of all times DESCRIBED that EXACTLY, scientifically , 3 hundred years ago....EXACTLY yes... Who Hayek called "our master of us all"? Einstein? Freud? Marx? Aristotle? no Bernard Mandeville and most people even in the economic field dont even sometimes know his name...I know i had decade with economic students also with me...
Ask an economy professor who is Mandeville and ask him if he is the greatest economist of all times... The answer will probably be no.... Anyway the true events in the world are SPIRITUAL events....Many religious people in spite of their superstitions, and limitations at least guess that in their own way and words...
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A.I. is a source of power which is way more than we could imagine.... In a society with a real democracy it will be possible to use it in the servive of all.. It is impossible in our society... Democracy is a fairy tale... There is no conspiracy theory... It is a word used by journalist... The truth is plain to see but too horrible to imagine... It is more simple for people to dismiss reality than accept it... It is a basic scientific psychological fact...It is a survival strategy also, someone not prepared cannot accept completely new facts or other realities in science like in ordinary life...No one throw all his belief because of the facts....I include myself here it take me all my life to understand some reality... I am not religious... But only mystics and truly great brain in science can fathom reality.... It is the first time after my retirement i speak with "old adults" on this forum for the last years... I live usually for 45 years with people way under 30 years,.... They are open mind...Even when they dont seem so most of the times... I miss the young...They are in a search for truth....Those i had seen for decades... I dont recognize myself with grown peoples... Over thirty most people will never change their life perspectives and beliefs or open themselves to NEW FIELDS of study... I think my retirement induced a kind of depression... If i discover something new i dont have the possibility to communicate anymore ... Music is a therapy...
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You are wrong here my friend... ALL are bots... I know you know already that for sure... I am retired and i had the bad habit to rant... 😊 Most people would not even listen to the truth because it is too horrible to fathom.. They will call us conspirationists, a word created by CIA to cover the inquiries in Kennedy assassination, and Robert Kennedy assassination UNRESOLVED to this day.. Now ask yourself why A man like Robert Kennedy junior is on a justice mission against big pharma? With a brain working and if you listen this CIA crash course you will understand.. It is way simpler than electricity to understand anyway which is a completely UNEXPLAINED phenomenon anyway... Save if you apply Maxwell equations without understanding them for a living....Habits are a powerful way to convince ourself that we understand something... Knowledge is not science and science is not technology.... Technology without science is greed and power, science without knowledge is programmed ignorance...
Knowledge and true understanding NEVER occur without a complete transformation of a personality for the good most of the times or for the worst sometimes... NEVER... If we read any genius life in ANY field this is clear and simple to see... For example if you think you understand the prime number distribution without being in an ectasy, sorrry you dont understand it AT ALL.... The same thing is TRUE for any phenomenon , natural, spiritual, or mathematical... Understanding Gauss or Christ implicate to enter in ectasy and in a vision deeper than your own ordinary usual mind habit....Or transformation of the spirit...If not you have not understood anything... Memorizing laws is not understanding them...Understanding something is not ONLY solving a problem, like soving a puzzle...Problem solving are only a training exercise ... Understanding is not a belief it is a VISION more luminous than the sun... Read when Tesla discovered, when studying at the university the idea of his alternative current motor, walking and reading Goethe Faust by memory to his friend... This is only an example...
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You are right about that for a reason very simple... In medical science and in epidemiology , vaccinations must be implemented with voluntary consent but more than that for all AT RISK people ONLY on EARTH... Not massively in rich country only like the US... There is also the emerging truth about these new almost useless by the way they are used and anyway risky vaxx... Massive vaxx like Gates want is totally insane, any epideniologist know it ... Many could not spoke they are tied at risk of loosing the livelihood...And censored when they spoke...Gates -Fauci together control 60 % i think of the medical research field on earth... A coronavirus mutate greatly and we push the virus to mutate at the greatest speed possible...A nobel prize in medecine say it not me, doctor Luc Montagnier ... But even me could understand that and i am not a doctor....Why not Doctor Fauci?
i never in all my life assist to a collective madness created destruction... I could not imagine that... |
I agree sorry... But this crisis affect us all personally even my family... So much evil pass over my head.... i will go to sleep... thanks for the reminder....
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You are right on the money... I hope to see the direction change more clearly but i am 70 years old...
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Only with their phone in public space humans lost already their attention to others and to nature... Compassion and understanding need attention focus... We must educate human in attention... If not we are lost....
Forget the phone, imagine now a real A.I. behind it tomorrow, We are already ouselves the product goggle and facebook and others corporations sell... We will be tomorrow only pieces to be eat alive by these corporations... This crisis illustrate this perfectly.... Anyway if someone want to understand the economical world we are in, read the three hundred old Bernard Mandeville...Totally freaking genius....But not one who could contribute to humanity survival now.... Mandeville is so deep and intelligent Orwell is an optimist schoolboy compared to him.... Mandeville is one of the greatest secret of the philosophical history...So intelligent it seems he was understood only by few...But those few created our economical world...From Adam Smith to Hayek....
Some genius are so deep than almost no one understand them...Goethe, Grothendieck, Ramanujan Archimedes for example...Mandeville is so intelligent the poor Freud would have great difficulty to teach him something new...And the poor Marx would have been corrected like a bad pupil...
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«It is only love not intelligence who teach men how not to be or stay self-trapped»-Anonymus Smith I am not sure if Schmidhuber will consider my observation relevant to the subject... 😊😁😊 Anyway it is mine.... The gist of my argument about Schmidhuber idea is that intelligence is always self-trapped, like a chess player trapped in chess game forever, especially the greatest intelligence, this trap in a way love could not subject itself to it.... One thing is sure i could not believe that A.I was possible at all before reading Schmidhuber... 😁😊 I know now that it is on his way....The sleepwalking transhumanists know that already because of their faith and before me....i will give them this point over me.... 😊
And the GROUNDING together of all living beings is about cooperation more than about survival of the fittest...it lack something in Darwin... Which is already in Goethe and in Friston ...The way the part is inscribed in the whole and better the way the implicated part is the whole itself explicated ...To borrow David Bohm notions... The most important concept for me in the "spirit of this time" is the concept of polarity and the morphogenesis linked to it... I assisted to a conference of René Thom, the father of "catastrophes theory" when i was only 24 years old and i was probably the only non mathematician in the hall...He was a great man and a Goethe and D’arcy Thompson admirer, the scottish genius in morphology studies...
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«Man’s attention is his only treasury, Christ and Buddha taught the art of attention, but our phone now ask for more»-Anonymus Smith
I dont think A.I. will ask for our attention to stay firm...the opposite probably.... Anyway those who will sell quantum computers one day will be the same who ask for our attention...And they are not Christ or Buddha.... Technology give power not answer... At the best technology give the means to reach an answer if we are ready to be very attentive on our own already.... The two greatest geniuses i know in A.I. in our days are Karl Friston which is more in neurology than in A.I. and the swiss mathematician Schmidhuber who wrote about "Goedel machines"... I am nore interested by Friston Approach... But Schmidhuber really is a genius and considered the father or one of the father of A. I. His description is astounding but for me perfectly described how an A.I. could become "intelligent" only by transforming itself and his world in an autonomous " Bubble" so to speak... This guy is very smart but his idea give us a "taste" about how the A.I. will surpass human ONLY by becoming a self-trapped intelligence....He dont say this, it is me who said that, trying to understand his "Goedel machine" which are able to modify their own programmation by themselves...
By the way when he was 20 years old Von Neumann assist to the original "exposé" of Goedel... When he go out of the room someone ask him : "Are you always interested by mathematical logic? " Von Neumann said ,"not anymore"... His friend ask him why, he answer: " there is no more interesting thing to do"....I like this story who say a lot about these 2 geniuses...Von Neumann was the only one to understand Goedel in less than the hour it take to Goedel for communicating the greatest discovery in logic ever made and probably forever.......Remind you that this original proof, with his unusual coding aspect and proposition construct was very difficult to understand ... Goedel lived decades at Princeton and his only friend there was Einstein, they walk some miles together every morning to their office... One day a journalist ask Einstein what is greatest work at Princeton was, the world waiting for his unified field theory.... Einstein reply was : his greatest and only pleasure was walking each day speaking with Goedel between each day of work... One morning, after an unhappy encounter with a car driver who was distracted by the famous Einstein hair, Goedel say that happily he cannot be the cause of an accident... Goedel one of the greatest living mind was living Unknown to most...Contrary to the very popular Einstein whose head become a symbol worldwide.... The best story was at the moment of his entrance in the United states and the duty imposed on him to read the American constitution...he read it attentively and discover a logical fault with it, it takes times and patience for Einstein his "godfather" for the judge of immigration to convince Goedel to not speak his mind about this logical fault....A fault which let a hole making the possiblity for a "coup d’état" so to speak... Ok i apologize i love stories too much.... my best to all .
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Quantum computers are only UNGROUNDED tools...Non living tool.... Human brain is a GROUNDED and interconnected organ/body to all living life for billions of years... We have the answers but we must wait for the right time to understand...Or the right experience... For example quantum computers exist today but could not have been created one millenia ago... And no answer comes free to the unprepared at the wrong time... The solar system has an history, it is a book....Some could read it.... For example science know now that the sun is very important in the climate cycle on earth... If we dont remember the last chapter of this relation we cannot predict or understand the next one... Right answer come only when the right question is asked generally at the right time not before...
I like Penrose a lot....Great humility with deep understanding.... thanks for the link....
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«We are never only right or wrong, we are in a journey where our own errors testify , willing it or not, to the one eternal truth anyway»-Anonymus Smith
«Inside/outside distinction is the key to reality and also a wall separating us from it, the inversion of the sphere is one key to the answer»-Anonymus topologist |
Myself i trust only mystics and mathematicians...Because their creative imagination nourrish the soul... And for me imagination is not the source of falsehoods, i speak about the yoga of imagination which is key to perception... ( Goethe) Not about fantasy..... It lacks too much to physics science now, it lack the recognition of the true meaning behind biology and consciouness relation.... Our knowledge is so limited that our civilization is on the verge of a tyranny the world has ever seen....
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yuviarora dont reduce the important transformation in your life to the validity of the electrical model... Almost no one embark in intense search toward truth...I admire you because you seems going on in this journey for truth... Go on with this search but dont place all your eggs in the basket of one physical theory... Anyway even if the theory is wrong there is also some "truth" in it, like there are truth in the Ptolemaus model, but not a physical truth because of Copernic advances...Then i dont laugh at the electrical model being right or wrong... I dont want you to lost your motivation for truth... But truth cannot be decided by physical theories only... Do not try to convince others, how many lack sleep because they suffer by the lack of truth? Almost no one... You are not like those then keep this questions in your heart and dont equate your ferocious love for truth with only one physical theory which cannot be ALL the truth by itself anyway... In my experience perception of living truth is not linked to objective science only....But to knowledge and knowledge cannot be intuited by only one physical theory even a right one...Not even by all others scientific theories put together...
My deepest respect...
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I think cindyment is right about Einstein relativity ... Einstein equations are not wrong ... Like Newton equations were not wrong... Like epicylcles equations were not wrong... It lacked something essential to Ptolemeaus equations: the Copernic hypothesis about the place of Earth in relation with the sun.. In the same way it lack something to add to Einstein equation and Schrodinger equation for example, i think it lack a better understanding of life and his relation to consciousness.. But i am a poet not a scientist... Sometimes poet are right though.... 😁😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 But @yuviarora , set aside the electrical hypothesis, you are right about the essential: We dont know much about the universe.... Those who think they know are deluded....Or mystic... I respect mystics by the way....
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You are right about that, i never claim that all the electrical paradigm come from Velikovsky for sure... In the last 50 years i see Velikovsky general claims about solar system REGULAR catastrophies, not details where he is wrong, confirmed by the general scientific view... Crothers though does not seem to be a mathematician... |
Then being no more qualified than Thornhill in physics you woud not be able to critic him....Save by believing the actual scientific consensus...But believing is not knowing... I dont know myself what to think about the electric universe anyway... One thing is certain for me , gravity ALONE cannot explain the universe....It seems obvious to me even if the electrical paradigm is demonstrated to be wrong formulated by Thornhill.. The deep question is WHY ARE WE UNABLE TO overpass by uniting them quantum mechanics and gravity? We must understand i think first what is life and what is consciousness no? We dont have a clue for now...
I apologize but i could not resist...
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The balance between merits inherited by works and talents and freedom of all individuals cannot be solved in a society where EDUCATION is not the center of the social life ...Economic production could NO MORE be the center of social life especially in the near future while robots will take charge of materials needs...... Economy with A. I. cannot be based on conception of market inherited by Bernard Mandeville and Adam Smith and after that of Hayek and Friedman....Our actual notion of economy and its place are completely outdated...Read Mandeville to understand...Do you know him? He was a very clever but machiavellian mind who influence all those who comes after... He was a genius the Freud of economy and clever than Marx or Smith...But his times of influence has now reach his end...We need a more conscious understanding of ourselves economically and politically and spiritually ....Look at what Hayek said of Mandeville whom he called "our master of us all": https://www.maggs.com/dr-bernard-mandeville-lecture-on-a-master-mind_231842.htm
In the times to come our effort in education will decide for a large part of the future of our societies...We live no more in Mandeville world... Then i am not against merits, but i am a proponent of a spiritual education not only the development of skills... Learning how to think for example dont begin with only science but also litterature and history, philosophy and manual works....i call that a spiritual education... And the basis of any enduring civilization could not be based on merits ONLY but on education first... Merits are consequence of education if not, they are inherited and transmitted by a reigning class...I dont want to live in an ant technocratic colony inspired by a new disciple of Mandeville who know more than Orwell and Huxley centuries before them... Is it not surprizing that almost no one know Mandeville? That reveal what i call an education problem.... Science the limited way we understand it now is not synonymus of knowledge...Only a part of it.... |
Climate changes are there all through history.... Then...But i am with you for the incompetence in gestion...And the necessity to answer to energy needs... For the censorship permeating america and the world now, it takes us to the wrong direction and makes all this health crisis the worst managed in recent history....Anyway i hate cultist, being "scientific" one or "religious one", censorship is the weapon of powerful fanatics or the shield of the weak.... For meritocracy, yes, but we must live in society with the right balance between merits and freedom, we are not a hive... One this thing is said i dream about democracy which is now it seems a thing of the past...The balance between merits and freedom is achieved ONLY by EDUCATION...There is no more education , and developing specialized skills is not to be educated, ants in their nest develop skills only.... Those who direct the tides at command posts now not only own no merit in general at all but are unelected...And the elected one are totally without any power in front of them... We live interesting times for sure.....
To be frank and honest i am also flabbergasted by the actual situation in the world... My best to you....
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The historical background for this thuderbolt video was inspired by Emmanuel Velikovsky... He wrote at a times when we were teach that all is gound FIXED and STABLE in history, and in the sky...( Nobody has understood Poincaré dynamic yet ) Many mocked him when he published his first book, "worlds in collision", Einstein being not an idiot read the book dont laughed, like Sagan will, and befriend him... After all they comes from the same community and Velikovsky erudition was astounding.... I read his first book 50 years ago... Carl Sagan called him a crook...Or false science... The problem is the general view of Velikovsky was proven right now, even if for sure many ideas of Velikovsky were proven wrong.... Especially after the proofs of multiple meteors ot comets impact 12 thousand years ago long after Velikovsky death ....... Nothing is safe and stable and secure under the sky and on earth... His historical erudition was astounding , he even wrote a book about Egyptian dynasties and catastrophes in these times... The book was so heavy to read i forgot details...it is long ago... 😊😁😊 Mars and venus not being on stable orbits are FIRST deductions of Velikovsky after reading all histories and mythologies on earth , not from Thunderbolts group...We can be in disagreement about these facts, but no idiots would last long laughing with Velikovsky erudition... His historical erudition about all history and mythologies amaze even Einstein...This dont make him right but invite respect.... Then if someone here of good faith partake some interesting information, it is not a good idea to mock him...We are all friends here and discussions dont implicate mocking and rejection from the back of the hands...I know enough history to know that i lived in a collective fable all my life anyway....If you dont know that, close your audio system and go read books... Many decade ago i was displeased by Carl Sagan appeal to banish so amazingly erudite books, he lost my admiration completely... But Einstein is a truly great soul.... And by the way FORGOT many erroneous details of many Velikovsky claims, his general view named " catastrophism" is now the perspective which is accepted in ALL sciences: history, geology, and astronomy.... The world is not created in 6 days and STABLE for us to live eternally...After Velikovsky’s death, science discovered comets and meteors impacts on earth, confirming many view of Velikovsky... Then ignorant and informed one must refrain themselves to mock people BEFORE reading their book... «History of science is science» Goethe This Goethe deep remark means that science is NEVER completed....And science has no deep meaning OUTSIDE of his ungoing history....It is not a faith which with we conquer other souls, claimimg to be right...Investigative minds like Einstein and Velikovsky are not militant in cults, religions or "science" inspired cults.....Other like Sagan prefer censorship.... For the " electrical universe thesis" i am not competent to judge it... But i am not a fool to think that we understand the universe now... The next revolution will help us.... It is in biology, and knowing what life is will help us to understand cosmology.....
« Einstein on VelikovskyIn Einstein’s last interview before he died, with science historian I. Bernard Cohen, Einstein said in reference to Velikovsky:
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I will drink piss cow if frienship ask for it... 😊 Thanks.... Enjoy your end of day too.... I will listen the thunderbolt video of my other friend here and after that listening music.... I just discovered Liszt Christus and i am in awe by this very irregular showman artist in his days who is able to rival Bach oratorios...
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I will add that what we call science, when it is not confused with technological hubris, exist on one collective level of consciousness.. There is other levels of consciousness where what we call science today is children play... The universe is not ONLY outside....I am not ONLY inside my body either....But if i do correct science these 2 hypothesis are necessary for the time being...But there is already a revolution in biology indicating the beginning of a change (Friston for example)...I truly think the next revolution is already here, but most dont see it hypnotised by the successful endeavor of the physical paradigm and his power.... 😁😊😊😊😊😊😊 Some very great scientists think otherwise: Ramanujan, Grothendieck, Goethe, Swedenborg, Tesla Etc It is very difficult looking at their works to call them deluded or stupid.... But anyway even if there is perhaps no physics of Ether now, we live in Einstein world, not Tesla world, but there exist a mathematics of Ether so to speak... Inter-universal geometry of Shinichi Mochizuki....But it is a "bit" difficult to understand than no one will dare to contradict me here... 😁😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😁 |
We dont know what electricity is... We can play with it and wrote equations born from Faraday phenomenological observation ...Because we can use it, we think we know what it is... Perhaps electricity as we know it, is all that we experience when the RELATION or the "force" that unite all things is not correctly perceived through it and with it? I think this was a Tesla view and he call it "ether" ... ( Dont remind me that Einstein theory put ether theory in the dustbin because i know it and anyway there is not one "ether" idea ) One thing is certain, the view that galaxies are spinning Newtonian-Einsteinian masses will be superseeded by the view of their fine structure organization and interrelations like an organ in an encompassing body, and not like an unstructured electron in an atom...... For sure i dont pretend to any science with my post....😊 I am a poet reading science not a scientist....
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I will accept your point about Tesla being not alone in his field for sure...But he was ALWAYS isolated and worked alone... By many aspect he resemble more to a "saint on a mission " than to a scientist, yes...That make his life stuff for legend...And legendary he was... Anyway he never was a "tinkerer", never was driven by money, and like others was a true scientist...That was my point....His ego was directed toward a mission not toward himself, that separate himself completely from the like of Edison....His scientific output in America and in the world make this mission a reality not only the dream of a narcissist tinkerer...The many spritual aspects of his personality unknown to most, make him more fascinating and out of the norm... His eidetic memory are just one.... He was not alone in his field of research but he was certainly one of the greatest, the like of Steinmetz and unlike tinkerer uneducated Edison: Pure scientist and not business man first and not business man at all....
For politeness you are right...My character mimic yours i like discussions without hypocrisy.... But being in face of one another is not the same than being in a forum....We dont have any clues here emotional or physical, then misconceptions are easy, then politeness and a bit of humility help at first contact ...No ? And like you i dont want for myself the life in a Confucean extended family for the same reason...
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I think this is a very good rule... I think the same... But if someone is wrong about a point of argument i appreciate that he recognize it when it is the case...If not, no discussion is possible... Tolerance without gregarious scapegoating is the key to civilization... And for sure less dogmatic or less abrasive comment could help too... Politeness is the key to discovery said Confucius, but Lao Tse add that humility help a lot....
( i invented these citations myself then i apologize for my excesses and abuse in bad litterature)
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Thanks.... Tesla was the first to base his work about experimental electricity investigation to scalar waves and ether...The Tesla coil is one of his crowning achiement.... Are scalar waves exist? I am not a scientis but i am able to read....This for sure prove nothing save that Tesla is a "tinkerer" only for uneducated or ignorant people or troll in audio thread...We must never insult people, especially dead one.... ...Look at what say about Tesla this scientist in the first of these 2 papers...
A generalisation of classical electrodynamics for the prediction of scalar field effects Authors: Koen J. van Vlaenderen
i cannot embed this article but click on it : https://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0305098 Then he discuss the precise ether notion of Tesla about field and particules but with modern concepts: |
If cindyment has never came back to insult intelligence of people again here i will have not go on with these arguments and examples to defend Tesla... But he added to his absence of real arguments his depise of others people here... And i dont like people who despise other human being... I contradict myself here by despising these kind of humans.... I am not perfect.... He seems muted , then the thread will return back to the OP.... I apologize to all for my new rant but.....I have an excuse at least.... |
I am surprized that cindyment did not answer my last post additions... For sure i proved nothing i am not a physicist, but i placed Tesla electrical devices output patents in the perspective and context of Tesla ether theory...Tinkerer has NO THEORY...A scientist dont invent MANY INTERRELATED devices by chance, he must have a theory to inspire him...For Tesla it was his ether theory... And ether theory is dismissed in books by people who never read Einstein who regretted by his own many WRITTEN admission his dismissal by a restricted lecture of special relativity and restricted interpretation of Michelson Morley experiment which anyway NEVER give an exact ZERO to measure ether wind... Einstein admittted that ether theory is necessary even AFTER GENERAL relativity... What ether was for scientists before Einstein and what Tesla ether is, are 2 things for sure.... But any intelligent person must pounder about this: ALL PATENTS PRODUCTIONS OF TESLA WERE INSPIRED BY AN ETHER THEORY OF HIS OWN... No scientist save Tesla has ever done so...That does not means that Tesla is right but why Tesla coil which Tesla ether theory exemplify, why these Tesla coil REVEAL UNEXPECTED phenomena ABOUT LIGHTNING unexplanable save partially by 2 Russian physicists whose theory border near Tesla ether ?
No more clown to repeat Tesla is a tinkerer, and invent practically only a motor? is he tired to be childish? Clown are precious they make us smile and we have only one here who despise all audiophiles to be ignorant like Tesla was....
If someone dare to read the cyndiment arguments AGAISNT Tesla they were copy/paste of Edison society to established some dates ...nobody ever claimed that TESLA invented all and everything....But saying that he invent a motor and a few tinkering devices is a LIE or total ignorance easy to reveal.... |
I forgot to say that Einstein himself revised his idea about the unnecessary ether in his 2 relativity theory by saying the opposite in 1920 because of new discoveries of Bohr atom...
«The important fact that, according to Bohr’s theory, the frequency of emitted radiation is not determined by electrically
Then good luck to debunk that claim of Einstein cindyment by using Einstein apparent dismissal of Tesla ether by VULGARIZATORS AND ENGINEERS who think relativity theory displace Tesla ether........Relativity theory was unable to negate Tesla ether .... Tesla ether was NEVER dismissed, just let there to dry unattended under the sun so to speak..... Tesla ether was an idea abandonned by scientist who did not want to tested Tesla devices and work with them anymore at all...
Einstein say the samething differently in a book in 1922: «Recapitulating, we may say that according to the general theory of relativity space is endowed with physical qualities; in this sense, therefore, there exists an ether. According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable; for in such space there not only would be no propagation of light, but also no possibility of existence for standards of space and time (measuring-rods and clocks), nor therefore any space-time intervals in the physical sense. But this ether may not be thought of as endowed with the quality characteristic of ponderable media, as consisting of parts which may be tracked through time. The idea of motion may not be applied to it.»
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By the way in a complex field like electricity debunking Tesla with arguments like he was not alone, others created transformer lines and worked in AC is completely meaningless for 2 reasons... First in a complex field for sure there exist hundreds of discoveries and researchers , Tesla cannot be alone...Saying that Tesla dont invented x ray for example because Rontgen invented them also at the same time dont means that Tesla was a tinkerer or a fraud by any means save for idiot... Second the impact of Tesla is well recognized ALREADY in the SERIOUS book of CARLSON BY PRINCETON UNIVERSITY PRESS... the title is not Tesla the Tinkerer but "Tesla the inventor of the electrical age "... Then cindyment write to Carslson and explain to princeton university press why their title is a fraud...They will listen to a great scientist like you.... BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY the legacy of Tesla is not behind ANYWAY but PROBABLY forward, ether theory was coming back...And Tesla was the only one to constructed all an electrical theory of ether manifested in patents like Tesla coil and other patents linked to his way to transmitted electricity...Nothing of Tesla idea was EVER proved to be wrong, they were ABANDONNED and dismissed with the Einstein success.... Dismissing ideas from one scientist WITHOUT RESEARCH about them because the dominating new pradigm of Einstein empty spacetime theory dismiss ether is not PROOF... Our actual cosmology is EPICYCLES theory now BORN from Einstein idea dismissing ether, no one understand anymore...Certainly not you.... Then it is not the electrical model who is right so much, many pointed to his inconsistencies...Perhaps it is a wrong model... But ether theory is not so easily dismissed than the electrical model of the universe ... Tesla worked the ether model theory of Maxwell or of Lorentz and all other physicists before einstein not by writing papers in journal but by a complete set of devices patented around this conception of electricity, everyone rejected after Einstein first successs... But success with predictions about mercury orbit for example dont PROVE that the hypothesis behind the theory were right in the absolute sense .... And it is easy to reject hypothesis like ether, not so easy to reject devices which WORKED ...Nobody was ever able or willing to continue Tesla research after Wardenclyffe tower financial disaster and the emerging star of Einstein NO ETHER theory...... The future look grim for Einstein empty space-time geometry, and cosmology now....Few decades after Einstein death, the quantum void was no more empty but a RESERVE of energy like it was for the old ether theory not an EMPTY volume of space at all...The futire of Tesla look bright anew... We had plenty of times to understand the limitation of Einstein conceptions in the last steriles 40 years of epicycles cosmology... Many books were wrote about this... Only ignorant dont know....
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The video i posted by the american engineer who linked Tesla tower and lightning studies by 2 Russians scientists gave a clue about Tesla coil and his relation with his work about Ether, and the reason why he opposes Einstein...These 2 russians scientists theory about lightning pointed to the ether theory of Tesla by the way... And also with this ether theory this video gave a clue about the way Tesla wanted to use his tower to send electricity... This american very interesting engineer says he was very doubtful about the possiblity for Tesla to accomplish what he said he wanted to do ONLY because the actual physic science reject ether after Einstein...but anyway he was very interested by the possiblity given by the Tesla coil to master lightning studies with reason for sure... But times are changing now, and even if yuviora was perhaps naive about the value of the electrical model he was certainly right about the limits of our Einsteinian cosmology which now mimic Prolemaus epycycles... Only educated and formated simple mind dont see that...All physicists know it, some have wrote books about it... The first equation of Maxwell make possible the existence of transverse or scalar waves, which were dismissed after mathematical simplification and reduction of the first 20 equations to a few one after some time by Heaviside and others... But Tesla concretely experimented with ether and only ether could explain his own observations about lightning and his Tesla coil ....Tesla knowing perfecxtly well the original equations used them to create his devices... The probability Einstein was wrong about ether grows more probable with the last 50 years of complete desintegration of any possibility to reunite Quantum mechanic, particle physics and electro-magnetism with gravity .... Our actual cosmology made no sense for no one...Strings theory is the supreme search of an epycicle new set with no link to any possible experiment ...Tesla would have smiled ...his electricity theory was illustrated by his patents and research...By the way he was very gifted in mathematics with his eidetic memory.... The only simple explanation looking in the past is for me that Tesla conception of electricity perhaps were the right cue in the right direction... |
I am too passionnate to be wise.... I am used to be with young people for 40 years Too late to change but i apologize to all for my rant .... Thanks for your interest and i wish you the best....
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