The 5 stages of making a bad audio purchase


This is tongue in cheek people, so let’s keep the replies light shall we?
The 5 Stages of Making a Bad Audio Purchase:

1. Denial: "My system, which before was of course totally awesome, is now totally awesomer! The sound stage isn’t just 3 dimensional any more, it is 4 dimensional. I can feel fingers sliding across guitar strings, drums are like my head is against the snare, and the bass goes 10hz lower ...."

2. Anger: "WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON’T BELIEVE MY SYSTEM WENT FROM AWESOME TO AWESOMER!!!. You obviously have a crap system, your ears are crap, you are just jealous."

3. Bargaining: "Hey, this gadget will make your already awesome system totally awesomer! 60% of MFR list is a great deal for it! That’s 40% off and you don’t even have to pay tax. I am only selling it because I am upgrading to the even awesomer version 2. My loss is your gain."

4. Depression: "I can’t believe I spent $5,000 on this thing ....."

5. Acceptance: "Sure, 75% off list is fair."
atdavid

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It sounds like perhaps you have had a negative experience with life rendering your inability to laugh even at yourself.


clearthink966 posts11-04-2019 12:15pmIt sounds like you have had negative experiences upgrading you're Music Reproduction System this is a very common, frequent, recurring issue with those who prefer to evaluate such system components using what they believe to be objective, scientific, engineering data rather than first just actually listening to the components being considered in the evaluation.

For me personally, I find a really oakey full bodied Cab can get me to step 12 at least temporarily.
I spit out my tea!   Quote from my wife, "For 100,000 dollars you think they could have figured out a dust cover."
I am big enough to admit in 30+ years of being an "audiophile" / music lover I have made purchases I have regretted even after having auditioned them.
Best answer yet!

Laughing at myself allows me to enjoy the music more and fret less :-)

tooblue1,112 posts11-05-2019 1:22pm

Step 1 enjoy the music, there are no more steps.
Yes, watch:
  • Who makes personal attacks.
  • Who does not address the contents of posts, but launches into tirades of a personal nature
  • Who has no skin in the game, no matter the outcome
  • Who is claiming to be a victim, and yet launches repeated personal attacks.


uberwaltz8,140 posts11-05-2019 2:13pm
I see it the same way myself.

I read and see it as an overt attack, couched in terms of ’please excuse me, no harm is meant.’

When in fact, harm is definitely meant.

As all the other prior posts illustrate that harm is actually meant.

You are being gamed, people, by an obviously (and via their record of posts) -- problematic member
Well I am certainly glad I am not the only one here.
Thx Teo.

Question for the audience.

Does problematic mean that:
  • I don't agree with you.
  • I don't simply accept what you say as fact
  • I am not afraid to say the above, nor stand up for myself when attacked (repeatedly)
  • I have the education and experience to talk knowledgeably about why I don't agree with what you said or the facts you claim?



teo_audio1,203 posts11-05-2019 12:29pm
You are being gamed, people, by an obviously (and via their record of posts) -- problematic member.


If you find this thread so "toxic", why did you feel a need to reply to it? You could have simply ignored it. You could have assumed that people who are here are adults and can make a similar choice for themselves.


uberwaltz8,141 posts11-05-2019 2:25pmYou forgot a point I am sure.......

 
:Who relishes making threads that are toxic but tries to coat them in sugar and disguise them as jest.


Nope, we can't even agree to this. According to some, who seem to have a delusion, people that understand the technical aspects of audio  couldn't possibly just listen to and enjoy music :-)

asvjerry704 posts11-07-2019 1:24am
At least, at the end of the day, we do agree on one thing:
We like music.

The bad purchases I made pushed me to learn more about what matters to get good sound, so I would say the journey leads you to the destination even if just the next destination.
I believe Internet window shopping for audio is probably a whole different psychosis best dealt with in another thread, that crosses over into this thread when you finally pull the trigger; often purely out of emotion, boredom, retail therapy, etc.
:-) :-)

fleschler,

geoff is just baiting you to validate his existence. He is a classic troll, and the best way to deal with them is to starve them.
fleschler,
We had started to briefly talk about doors for sound-proofed rooms on another thread. It was identified as a difficult point. Can you detail a little bit more about your doors?  Are they off the shelf or custom manufactured?   How is the door frame built to enable the swing of the 17" depth?
Pot meet kettle.  Your post is about the most ridiculous take I could have ever imagined anyone would take on what I posted. Honestly, I could never have imagined it. I will put it down as a desperate need for validation and attention. Keep doing you geoff, no one else will ever want to.

geoffkait18,174 posts11-11-2019 1:31pm

>>>>>I don't think I've seen so many logical fallacies crammed into one post since the last time I read one of your windy screeds. The anger and frustration jumps right out at you. :-)


I haven't heard any "best" system, but I have heard a lot of very good systems. They all had qualities I liked, but where one excelled in one area, others excelled in other areas.

When I am on my death bed, though, there is one thing I am absolutely certain of. When I look back on life, having an audio system better than 99.9% of the population will not even make it into the top 10 of things I was grateful for. Music perhaps, it certainly makes life worth living. Having shared musical events with people I care about, almost definitely. Having developed products that have helped people enjoy life through music, quite likely. But having a super awesome stereo ... I doubt it.
I would appreciate that!   I am in the early stages of something much simpler, making my in-laws happy in their downsizing space. I was looking at surplus vault doors, simply for the mass and mechanism. The picture would answer some questions about angling the joining faces so that something that deep does not jam.


fleschler935 posts11-11-2019 1:54pm
I can send you photos of the doors if you like. 

geoffkait,
Dyslexia?  I am trying to give you an out here. Work with me.  You basically said exactly what I said, with a lot more words, then said I didn't say that. Did the word "liked" give you trouble? English is not my first language so I may not always use words properly :-)

atdavid OP255 posts11-11-2019 12:08pm

I haven't heard any "best" system, but I have heard a lot of very good systems. They all had qualities I liked, but where one excelled in one area, others excelled in other areas.

geoffkait18,176 posts11-11-2019 2:20pmatdavid, My point is how do you know when you’re hearing very good sound? It’s all VERY relative. AND SUBJECTIVE. There is no “absolute sound” so all you can really say is it sounded very good to you. What you think is “very good sound” might well be average sound to me or someone else. There are no STANDARDS for OVERALL SOUND QUALITY. There are only STANDARDS for technical parameters, SNR, channel separation, THD, etc. There is no DEFINITION OF ABSOLUTE SOUND.

Are you sure it is your first language? I expect just about anyone who reads it will understand what I mean with more than enough clarity for it to be useful. As I used the word liked, correctly for my intended purposes, I was clearly stating that I was making a subjective evaluation. By saying I have never heard a "best" system, even putting best into quotation marks, I am also noting that "best" carries a subjective connotation.


Perhaps there is an English word you could help me with, being an English first speaker? Pedantic.
+100,
Not to mention most of the music they listen to isn't even recorded in a fashion that a single listener would hear.