Teres vs VPI, SME, Origin Live, etc.

Dear Berlin,how about having a REFERENCE arm at HE 2005(in N.Y.)in April.Last year I saw one of your arms in a static(useless,to a potential buyer)display.I think you realize that there is a real interest in your product,especially myself,and a friend.It may be a good idea to have a RUNNING arm at this show.Also,are there any reviews of the REFERENCE,other than on an internet forum.Not that these are not valid.Just that,usually when someone spends their own money on something,they will RARELY mention any potential problems,since they have invested a small fortune in the product.Thanks!!

Frank,your point is well taken.I think I'll save my travel money and put it in an "Audio Account".I can probably shave off a few months of saving for your REF arm that way.Good for both of us,if I ever get to hear one.No sarcasm intended here,as I am truly fascinated with your design.

Regards from New Jersey

I think(know)Lugnut makes some very good points.It is in his best interest,and others,to borrow from his playbook.We will ALL benefit from a philosophy of not taking every comment as GOSPEL.NONE of us,even the "Experts"(hobbyists,actually)can categorically have answers to every aspect of how to coax the best sound from every component,or even most.Even when we think we understand the physics involved.Metal vs acrylic or wood.

Since everything is STRICTLY a matter of taste,why should an innocent opinion,even an eroneous one(like Doug's opinion of termination breaks,that happen to be remedied with "MILITARY" connectors on the 2.2)be of such consequence to illicit a nasty response from some of you!!

Even my "BAITING" of Doug,with my last comment,is done with "Tongue firmly implanted in cheek",though I DO believe it.SO WHAT!!I come to this forum for the pleasure of interaction,and a potential learning experience.Sometimes good entertainment.I believe a genious like Einstein passed away years ago.Though,I do pass his old house,in Princeton,every few weeks,when going to a favorite collectors watering hole(Princeton Record Exchange).That's the closest I expect to come to ALL KNOWING PHILOSOPHY!!Except for my DAD,and third year MED student son.Boy do I love,and respect those two!!!

What REALLY turns me off,and why I'm considering dropping out of "Forum Life",though,that would be no great loss,is the REDICULOUS BABYISH/SPOILED TIT FOR TAT crap that happens too FRIGGIN(I really don't want to use that word)often.As in this series of posts.

I don't believe the original question was meant to create animosity amongst you guys.Those who take the high road,I respect you.But,in all seriousness WHO CARES if someone doesn't like or appreciate another's component of choice,or point of view.How can that possibly change the way we perceive our own system's sound.Once again,who cares.

I do not list my system,and try not to mention all of my components,when attempting to contribute to a thread.I do this for a reason.I really don't think anyone has an inkling what my system sounds like,EVEN IF THEY HAVE OWNED some of the same components.All I care about is how my stuff sounds TO ME!!

I welcome controversial disagreement,and take it as just plain "fun criticism".I may be wrong in a disagreement,on a topic,and probably AM,on occassions.I,also deserve to make my point!!The only time I feel the need to be somewhat assertive is if the opposing party gives me the impression of
I am NO boyscout,but really respect MANY people,some who I disagree with at times.I don't always agree with DOUG,but know that he is EXTREMELY knowledgeable,and entitled to his opinions.Why should anyone be FLAT OUT RUDE to other audiobuffs,when we are such a SMALL HOBBY.It is a blast that some others can,at least,articulate an opinion we want to read,agree with or not.I doubt if many of you have cancelled your subscriptions to the "MAINSTREAM" mags.They SUCK lately (as in,REALLY SUCK)!!I remember when I loved finding one in my mailbox.One that I did not go through in 15 minutes.Anyone remember those days?

Yes, there are those people who "GET OFF" from creating animosity.To me they are yutz's.They don't deserve my response,though sometimes I fall prey.People like RAUL,to me,are good spirited,and entitled to be wrong(or right).Yes I find some comments worthy of a GOOD TUSSLE.BUT THEY ADD TO THE PERSONALITY OF THIS FORUM.I don't have to agree with them,but I won't get REALLY MEAN SPIRITED unless an underhanded slur is thrown my way.We NEED each other,if at least,for the missing stimulation I used to get from controversial,and musically inspiring "LONG GONE" AUDIO JOURNALISM!!

Now let's hold hands and sing around the campfire.DOUG,please pass RAUL a marshmellow.A "crispy one,not a burnt one"!!

FAREWELL ALL!!

Pontus,I am happy to see a real insight into the psychology of "The goings on here".Your points,to me are refreshing,and appreciated.Your perspective is a lesson to me,and any others of open mind.Thanks!

Doug,I guess ,by your logic,I should sell my speakers,with external crossover(requiring additional connections)and buy a one box design.Also,I would have to sell my two chasis(power supply inside second one)Rowland 8t,because of the additional connectors involved.Not to mention 2 box transports/dacs,2 box pre-amp line/phono-stages.REDICULOUS!!Boy,I hope all your cable runs are REAL SHORT!!

Yes a single run of cable is "technically" superior,but when you actually "DO" the testing you refer to,your comments are specious at best.Do you realize how many connections are in a set-up?Why not go and buy the Walker SST stuff.That should help you,as it supposedly aids connections and signal transfer.Not to mention that I have a friend who just installed the stuff to deleterious sonic results.He now is spending hours cleaning it off.Claims are empty unless qualified with real hands on.Have you actually owned a 2.2?I doubt it!Forget that you have friends who have one.If you don't own,and dial in a technical product like a tone-arm,or complex camera,you can't possibly know it!

Here's a really good tip for you,that I'm sure all of us have read about at some point.Why don't you solder all your connections.I have no doubt it would be a further improvement for you.We could go on forever,on this subject.Tubes needing sockets vs solid state,hardwiring speakercables etc.Do you bypass your little on/off lights for the additional 1/10 watt additional power.If you're going to do it,do it right!!

You're jabs at the 2.2 are your unverified "opinion",as I gather you are spewing forth your theory about the connections.I have owned both arms,as you know.Yhe "FACT" is that I've been able to get alot closer to what I think my records sound like on an arm like the 2.2,as opposed to a SLOPPILY MACHINED,but admittedly good(NOT GREAT)Tri-planer!!

Sorry to seem so emotional,but the additional connection bit you refer to on the 2.2(as though it's a poor design choice)is a real laugher!AND NO,you can't have any of my marshmellows!!!Now I'm going home,after the gym,and suiting up my armor!!

Frank,your end remark,about my referring to you as "Berlin" is sarcasm that is not necessary.I think you were successful at determining who I was directing my question to.Just as it is obvious, to all, that my name is not "Sir Speedy".It is common to refer to forum goers,as you know,by their screen names.I use Sirspeedy because that is the name of my business,and website.

I am intelligent enough,I think,to realize you originate from Berlin,just as I'm sure you can figure out my name is not Sirspeedy.

I thought I was asking a very legitimate question.I have always been very interested in your arm,as you probably know.Your response about your time-table is fine,and understandable.However I can't develope a buyer's emotion on anything I can't audition,and I'm sure you are selling plenty of arms.Good luck!!

These tables ALL look so damn good.I just saw a picture of the TERES in FULL BLOWN ROSEWOOD.MAN O MAN --OUT THE WINDOW goes my philosophy of having to have "HANDS ON" with a product this GORGEOUS.I know NOTHING,but could NEVER resist the urge to put this design on a really short list,if I were in the market.I have,also,heard consistently great things about the TERES stuff for a couple of years now,so I have to assume that there are alot of smarter folks than me,out there!!