Hi Sabai, I'm using the Furutech wall frames, I agree, they are expensive, I do not recommend using the supplied Furutech 2" wood thread none magnetic stainless steel screw's that come with the Furutech wall frames!, they kill the sound stage bloom, they sound mechanical, I find the zinc 6-32 or 8-32 2" screw's to sound natural, with good bloom, cheers.
Yes I am still using the Furutech GTX Rhodium. In fact, I just ordered a generic carbon fiber wall frame. I find the price of the Furutech wall frame a bit on the high side. Which wall frame are you using?
Sabai, A good system that would be of interest to you to check out Tara Labs cables would be the JBL Everest DD-67000 speakers with the Tara Labs Grandmaster Evolution complete cable system power by Dan D Agostini momentum mono blocks, and a good turntable, or a tube digital front end, ect..., this would bring a smile to your face, Cheers
I think I changed the minds of a few people regarding the rhodiums. I cannot comment on Tara cables because I have never had them in my system. But I can say that I feel you are being criticized by others for doing virtually the same thing they are doing on their own threads -- albeit more subtly. In the end it amounts to the same thing, IMO.
Steve, I cannot afford currently Tara Lab's best offering, I'm lucky to have their 3rd best in the model line up, I do not know if I would ever have a system that can support the Tara Labs Grandmaster Evolution cable system, what would be feasible, would obtain the Zero Evolution I/C and Omega Evolution, Evolution A/C cable system, I'm not in a rush, I enjoy what I have, that is a big jump in money and performance that I cannot do right now, thank you anyway Steve.
Hi Sabai, I look forward to you coming to this thread, currently, we are talking a lot about the outlet's, something you inspired me to do, and you certainly inspired me to go with the Furutech GTX R's, Cheer's.
Yes, John, you may be correct about tinkering with your Dmitri conditioner, I know a few audiophiles out there that have changed out their outlets out there in their conditioner's to good effect, you may look for someone who has done this to a running springs audio Dmitri conditioner and ask their opinion, I personally do not have experience changing any outlets in any conditioners, but I can tell you many have discussed this with me, however, I will tell you based on my experience, the Furutech GTX-D Rhodium's can work on solid state and tube equipment, more or less the particular sound character of each component and speakers, and cables play a role if the outlet is a good match for the rest of the sound you going after.
Steve, you know my name, you think it's about time to be civil here and everyone get along, we are mature grown men, anyway, my friend is highly respected as I am in this hobby of high end audio, he is not interested in the top cable's at this time, he asked me about the Tara Labs The One and 0.8 cable's, he may not even carry them, he is thinking about it, cheers to you Steve.
John, can you change the outlets in your running springs audio Dmitri model?, if so, as good as you like it, I would put the Furutech GTX-Rhodium wpo's, wall power outlets inside of that conditioner my self if I were you, what do you think?, a lot of audiophile's like these wpo's in that position, don't know if you value my opinion, however, I own them along with the wall frame's my self, so does my Buddy Ken, you know him as Sabai on Audiogon, cheers.
I will continue to be an asset to many concerning Tara Labs ,just yesterday, I got a phone call from a friend of mine that has his own product, and sales other high end audio, he contacted me concerning Tara Labs cables, he is in the position to become a Tara Labs cable dealer, he wanted my advise, we talked for a while, this is because of this thread, that is how we become friends, this thread is of interest to many, with this many views, emails, phone calls,etc..., I'm enjoying what I do!, me and this thread is not going any where!, everyone is welcome here concerning a positive conversation about Tara Labs and etc..., cheers to the many that know me and are my friends.
Tara Labs is in the Stereophile recommended components 2015, the second from the flagship cable model, The Evolution Zero interconnect and Evolution Omega speaker cable is the favorite cables of all by stereophile magazine and digital version of Stereophile, read all of the cable reviews, interesting to say the least!
Zephyr24069, any one who has talked to me or knows me understands what I have for a system, I have never posted a system page!, I do not care too,LOL, I do a lot of changes, also, I do not care to explain my self to anyone that is not interested in a real conversation about audio, unlike the couple that is a disease to this very informative thread, you can also E-mail me if you like, cheers.
Just don't get it. Personal issues.. no time snapping few pics to set own virtual system page, yet, all the time in the world nursing this dreadfully long thread day-in/out? C'mon, save Zephyr the trouble calling around too. ;)
Hi zephr24069, I am in the middle of some personal issues, however, you may call krell and talk to Patrick Bresnahan, he will tell you I have a modded krell 700 CX, and you may call Devon Scott vice president of Tara Labs, he will confirm that I have the zero gold I/C and Cobalt power cord with oyaide terminations, Omega Gold 8ft speaker cables, and call Joe at Audio Visor that I have the lovely sounding Vincent cd-s7 cd- player running direct to my amp, this is a tube hybred solid state player with 3 tubes, one is in the power supply, and I have special made that is not on the Tara Labs site,Omega jumper cables on my vintage JBL modded L-7 speakers, all this has Furutech GTX Rhodium out let's on it with the Furutech wall frames, changed the stainless none magnetic wood thread screws out for 8-32 highly magnetic zinc 2 inch screws to a huge prevail, also every thing is on dedicated lines times 2, with a 30 amp single pole breaker on the Krell amp, which, BTW, was the best money ever for cheap for that breaker that I have spent in 35 years in audio, the 20 amp breaker was chocking the amp, it is a big performance difference of sound in every way, also, the amp runs cooler and effortless beyond what I ever thought possible, cheers.
"03-31-15: Audiolabyrinth If any of you audition Tara labs Evolution line cable's, please give your impressions here for all to read and understand, cheers"
< Better in fresh new thread, this one is way too long and convoluted, imo. cheers
4orreal, Yes, it's a copy and paste from Tara Labs white paper on the third in a series of cable design. Wouldn't one think a credit is due naming its source? Might prevent a legal issue in the future.
Most cables are very system dependent, however, over the years, I have found Tara Labs works good with many systems, tubes systems especially, not many brands of cables I have tried can work with alot of systems out there, Tara Labs is the only company I know of that has extended band width and controlled band with cables to accommodate nearly all systems, cheers.
Audiolabyrinth, Having read many of your posts, I doubt "you" actually wrote the piece on "Dielectric" above. I am sure you copied and pasted from the web or an email from your company (Tara Labs).
I am not sure of your intentions here, but I have a haunch you are doing this to gain empathy from Tara Labs for kickbacks (may be, free/hugely discounted cables or $$$$$). You might as well become a dealer for all the time and effort you put in here.
Insulating materials exposed to electric fields are called "dielectrics." Dielectrics are necessary parts in the construction of any cable because they prevent oxidation and keep the conductors from touching one another. In audio cables, relatively low voltage and current levels mean that dielectric strength is not the most important factor. Far more significant in its effect on the sound is a material's dielectric absorption. This characteristic describes the way a dielectric may discharge a secondary signal into the conductor out of phase with the audio signal.
As a current is passed through a conductor, an electromagnetic field is created which interacts with the dielectric material and temporarily displaces the molecular structure. If the dielectric material has good elasticity and can return quickly to its normal state, then the material is said to have low dielectric hysteresis or loss and will have little audible effect on the signal.
Although many know how important the conductor's are, what everyone does not realize is the dielectric's of Tara Labs is trade marked and patenent for many reason's, the dielectric's of these cable's are the forefront of technology today, the new teflon film of the two top cable's is the first in the industry, a film is far better than a normal insertation of teflon material, tara labs has used teflon for many tears, however, it's the way it is made and the way it is used that makes a big difference among cable leaders in the high-end industry today, owe it to your self, go and hear what's possible with the new model Tara Labs cables, the best may cost money, but you clearly hear the difference!
If you could improve the sound of your audio system, what would that be? Expansive soundstage? High-frequency detail? Less glare? Warmth & richness?
TARA Labs cables are the perfect match for any audio system, regardless of the combination or complexity of the components you have. If your "sound" needs more detail, more air, expansive soundstage, or if you feel there is too much high-frequency glare, or your sound lacks warmth? Our new Controlled Bandwidth and Extended Bandwidth cables will not only upgrade your sound, but will also enable you to have the perfect relationship between component and cable.
Controlled Bandwidth & Extended Bandwidth Information
TARA Labs is known as one of the worlds' leading manufacturer of high-end audio cables. Currently the business model employed by the company has been one of both technological innovation and design. This ideology has enabled TARA Labs to remain at the cutting edge of the high-end audio industry. With an eye towards continual manufacturing advancements being made in audio components such as speakers and amplifiers, TARA Labs continues to lead the industry in developing new cutting-edge technologies. Our latest research and development has enabled us to create new reference grade audio cables that work extremely well with many of the newly developed materials used in speakers such as Beryllium, Titanium, Kevlar, and Ceramics in addition to standards such as carbon-fiber, fabrics, polypropylene, paper, etc. TARA Labs are categorized into two lines: Controlled Bandwidth and Extended Bandwidth. These two categories offer a wide range of reference-grade cables that will enable the audiophile to accommodate and upgrade the majority of the high-end audio components available today.
Controlled Bandwidth
The ISM™ OnBoard Series of cables employs the Controlled Bandwidth technology from TARA Labs. The ISM™ OnBoard Series presents a range of cables with more presence, mid-range warmth and richness without sacrificing detail and high frequency extension. A common misconception is that the words warmer and richer may indicate a sound with smearing or coloration of the upper bass through mid-range frequencies. This is not the case with any of TARA Labs' cables. The sort of smooth or rolled-off sound is found most often with cables that employ filtering such as inductors and resistors found in network filter box designs. By contrast, the sonic signature of a TARA Labs cable is one that is more coherent and natural. The sound is often described as being lifelike with bloom and body. The ISM™ OnBoard Series of cables is especially recommended for systems that have wide-bandwidth electronics (with limited filtering*), or with systems that use loudspeakers that have a tonal balance that emphasizes the high frequencies. In general the ISM™ OnBoard Series (Controlled Bandwidth) is recommended for systems that are slightly etched sounding or overly detailed, perhaps with a sense of glare. *Higher frequencies in the RF bandwidth, or Electromagnetic Interference (EMI) can be picked up easily by longer lengths of interconnect cables, especially those with low Capacitance. Connecting this type of cable (especially single-ended) between high-powered solid state amplification can sometimes be a problem with components having limited filtering.
Controlled Bandwidth - Onboard Capsule
The ISM™ OnBoard concept is unlike traditional shielding methods or filter networks. Even complex shielding methods still remain in proximity to the conductors, thereby distorting the audio signal. Filter networks in boxes at the ends of the cables often contain low quality resistors, inductors and capacitors to perform the filtering. These reduce RFI/EMI in the cable itself by being soldered in series and parallel between the signal conductors. This alters the integrity of the signal, in particular, the higher order harmonic structure of the music.
In the ISM™ OnBoard system, RFI/EMI is dissipated and absorbed within the OnBoard capsule. This function occurs in isolation from the signal conductors.
The signal path is not cut and fitted with additional components. The OnBoard capsule is effective in eliminating the noise of RFI/EMI without the attendant high-frequency anomalies of filter networks.
Extended Bandwidth
What this means is that the cable design employs a cable construction that takes advantage of the electrical characteristics such as Capacitance and Inductance. For example, we can reduce the Inductance in a simple conductor by changing its size, and in the case of a Rectangular Solid Core(R) the shape of the conductor can reduce the Inductance in the conductor. By reducing the Capacitance value in an Interconnect cable, we can extend the high frequency detail. These factors, including reducing the dielectric construction in a cable will make the cable sound more open and neutral. The Extended Bandwidth Series of cables is recommended for most audio systems. A very good example of the EX cable design philosophy is the Air Series of cables from TARA Labs. In most systems, the Extended Bandwidth cables deliver a sound that is more revealing, open, neutral and transparent. Most audio electronics use filtering and do not amplify extremely high frequencies such as RF/EMI. The best loud-speaker systems are generally phase coherent and do not sound forward or overly harsh, or even bright. However there are some combinations of audio electronics and loudspeakers that create strain or glare in the sound.
Extended Bandwidth – w/HFX Floating Ground Station
The HFX Floating Ground Station is an extraordinary component that is included with all reference Extended bandwidth interconnect cables. TARA Labs proprietary ground station is made of mil-spec aluminum alloy. Our specific metallurgical properties allow for the reduction of RF and electromechanical resonance; EMI/RFI. It's 18.23% heavier and stronger than aircraft-grade stock. Equipped within the HFX station is a patented ceramic composite of metallic oxides and an amalgam of mineral elements in a ceramic binder called "Ceralex." Because the HFX functions completely outside of the signal path, its ability to dissipate and eliminate the effects of EMI/ RFI (Electromagnetic interference & Radio frequency interference) which also includes sonic distortion, noise, "snow", and lack of image clarity. The appearance of the HFX station is one of beauty and elegance, in addition to its superb performance.
That is why he spends so much time using copy and paste. Every time he tries to get out an independent thought, (as rare and odd as they may be) it turns out like the incoherent rambling above.
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