Talk but not walk?


Hi Guys

This isn't meant to start a fight, but it is important to on lookers. As a qualifier, I have my own audio forum where we report on audio issues as we empirically test them. It helps us short cut on theories and developing methods of listening. We have a wide range of systems and they are all over the world adding their experiences to the mix. Some are engineers, some are artist and others are audiophiles both new and old. One question I am almost always asked while I am visiting other forums, from some of my members and also members of the forum I am visiting is, why do so many HEA hobbyist talk theory without any, or very limited, empirical testing or experience?

I have been around empirical testing labs since I was a kid, and one thing that is certain is, you can always tell if someone is talking without walking. Right now on this forum there are easily 20 threads going on where folks are talking theory and there is absolutely no doubt to any of us who have actually done the testing needed, that the guy talking has never done the actual empirical testing themselves. I've seen this happen with HEA reviewers and designers and a ton of hobbyist. My question is this, why?

You would think that this hobby would be about listening and experience, so why are there so many myths created and why, in this hobby in particular, do people claim they know something without ever experimenting or being part of a team of empirical science folks. It's not that hard to setup a real empirical testing ground, so why don't we see this happen?

I'm not asking for peoples credentials, and I'm not asking to be trolled, I'm simply asking why talk and not walk? In many ways HEA is on pause while the rest of audio innovation is moving forward. I'm also not asking you guys to defend HEA, we've all heard it been there done it. What I'm asking is a very simple question in a hobby that is suppose to be based on "doing", why fake it?

thanks, be polite

Michael Green

www.michaelgreenaudio.net


michaelgreenaudio

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Mike much of what has been written on these recent pages pertains to the origins of sound so you you may want to study on some of the basic themes mentioned. 

After some time lapse and study then maybe you can answer for us how your products may work and how they make differing sounds, but_  knot making the same sound every hour or on any consecutive  day. You will be able to explain how this works ? Tom
Mike

If you ever clean your home or office how do you vacuum your carpets with all those puzzle pieces exposed to the elements..dust bunnies and cats and dogs..Maybe you use a low pressure blow gun. Do you navagate over the game board on a hover craft or use a pogo stick to jump between bits and pieces of the wooden board players?Tom
Any material or shape in, under,on or around another material surface will alter the shear wave response and the result will be a change in the compressive wave response within the components which the acoustic space is the largest. Mike cannot describe how any of his products work because he does not understand the origins of sound. Tom
Mike 

I cannot find anywhere on this site that you spent a penny let alone 30 to 50 American dollars..Tom
The OP was a troll at the outset..( dont get mad) he said.. He was here to start a fight to stir the pot he Bogarts that joint making it all his. He may share but only if your in his snake pit..He is a troll on steroids a parasitic troll one who contributes nothing at all. His products are non progressive in thought or implementation. He posts reviews from 1998..that tells us he is proud and arrogant but has not defined or refined his ideas with any new product introduction for the 21st century...If you burn off the oil from the snake your left with a snake. 

The Audiogon Forum was never conceived as a free for him sales or promotional vehicle. Why should we as an individual or as a group pay a toll for a troll to perform mass promotion on all of us? Tom
And if Audiogon were to charge a fee for a long time member a 30 to 50 dollar postal fee then I would be happy to bolt.
You can be left here hearing your same old bs from the last century..zero progression.
Not to be a self promoter but of  what website are you say I maybe pushing?
I own only one website..and it is not an audio product website.  It is a website for the promotion of ideas and devices for the enhancement of musical instruments thru the reduction of interfering energy and the understanding of polarities of shear waves in solids. The origins of sound..Tom
I have never started my own self promotion thread.

The post you pasted was well written..and truthful with no bs. Tone Acoustics is of my own understanding and by design..all about the shear baby..Tom
The last few lines I wrote previous are understood by only a few..I can find virtually no mention of shear waves in solids and only in the seismic world. But shear waves travel in all solids and their polarities and energy transfer are determined by the material shape, mass and boundary they touch. I am here to promote ideas some old and some new based on what I have learned over time and experience ...the most recent catalyst being a seismologist. Shear waves are the origin of sound in most if not all musical instruments..and every solid in your audio room.   Tom