Taking the Lampizator Big 6 to the Next Level


I have owned the Lampizator Big 6 (B6) for about 4 months and can honestly say this unit is first rate. I use the Jade Audio Ref Platinum ICs from the B6 to the Aria WV line stage and a Dream State Dream Catcher PC on the B6. USB cable is the Vue Model 3. And I still am using plain ol' iTunes on a 2006 Mac Mini with SS drive and 2G RAM.

The DAC shootout thread on A'gon has covered many DAC's with some great reporting. The B6 was dismissed early on without trying other tube combinations. To dismiss a tube product because of its sound with stock tubes is blasphemy. Solid state products are indeed a better choice for such a consumer.

Manufacturers have no choice but to populate their products with off-the-shelf new tubes from tube distributors. But these are often highly compromised tubes that can not even begin to compete with the 1000s upon 1000s of available throughout the world. A little bit of effort and time, for very little investment, a swap of a pair or two of tubes can take a product to an entire new level of performance. And I discovered this with the results below.

The Good News:

The B6 version I have uses two pairs of tubes:

1: VT-99 for the Audio stage - Stock unit had Sylvania VT-99
2: 6x5GT as the Power Supply rectifiers - Stock Unit had 6u5C Russian tubes

I was given a pair of National Union VT-99 tubes as well with the B6. I was told by the seller to try both and get back with him. He said the results between the pair was quite different and he had a very clear favorite but would not comment further.

I started with the NU tubes and ran these for several days. Even out of the box, within one hour, the B6 was absolutely phenomenal. It had all the 3D magic that the legendary Manley Ref DAC from the mid 90s had but with a new level of treble clarity, midrange (piano) delineation and far greater depth. Images were far far back from the SoundLab A1 speakers that I ever experienced with digital playback. Piano decays, voice harmonic overtones carrying further up the frequency range was yet another new experience. These are traits that I often identify with a tube-optimized top tier tube line stage with tube rectified power supply, that simply no solid state line stage can touch. I could drop any solid state line stage or 99% of the ICs out there, inserted between the line stage and amps, and lose much of the magic that I now experience in my system due to the B6. The Aria WV line stage and the B6 with the Jade Ref cables are a killer match.

Finally, I switched over to the Sylvania VT-99. Wow, if they went beyond the NU, I can not even begin to imagine what might be possible. But as the out-of-the-box B6 was with the NU cranking out the magic, the B6 with the stock Sylvania was distant, much reduced harmonic continuity, piano notes not distinct, etc.; the result was a major reduction in instruments sounding natural with an overall shrinkage of the stage, most notably depth. I listened to this for a few albums but could not take it any more. A return the NU and the 3D magic and clarity was back. Anybody want a pair of Sylvania VT-99 tubes for cheap?

Three months later, I was ready to play with the rectifier tubes. But I thought I would try one more pair of VT-99's. I got a pair of Raytheon VT-99. These were nearly spot on with the NU but with just a little more smoothness which made many of the recordings sound more natural and tonally coherent. But overall, the 3D performance was neck and neck with the NU. Overall, I liked the Raytheon and I run with this tube now. But the NU is a top performer.

With my incredible experience with RCA 12BH7 destroying all 12au7 tubes in all my past components, and the awesome performance of the RCA 6SN7 in the Aesthetix components, I know that I must try the RCA VT-99 to finalize the tube choice here.

It was time to play with the rectifier. I got a different pair of Russian tubes, and also a pair each of Raytheon and RCA 6X5GT. I first tried the different designed russian tube and there was virtually no change in sound. This caught me by surprise as the tubes were very much different physically and my experience with Counterpoint and Aria products is that tube rectifier changes can make dramatic improvements at a level often surpassing changing audio stage tubes. I then tried the Raytheon 6X5GT. Wow, vivid Vivid VIVID. The sound was as if a huge spotlight had been added. Sounds came way out in front of the speakers. It was like going from a CJ line stage to an ARC line stage with so much energy right in front of you. There was far more treble detail but with the bottom half of the range much reduced, i.e., severe tonal coherency issues! It was quickly too much. This tube was out! I returned to the russian tube to get my reference sound back. After a few tracks, I then tried the RCA 6X5GT. Wow, wow, wow, now you're talking. Phenomenal tonal coherency, smoothness and upper treble detail with no fatigue. I enjoyed this tube for a few albums and then returned to the russian tube. The result with the russian tube was good tonal coherency but no match to the RCA as there was so much more life, energy, things going on, decays, harmonics and wow, dynamic contrasts with the RCA. The result of this RCA rectifier tube makes me even more excited to try the RCA VT-99.

Total cost for the Raytheon VT-99 pair and RCA 6X5GT pair is under $150. Not bad for a major component upgrade.

With the state of this B6 with the Raytheon VT-99 and RCA 6X5GT, I would put this up against the Lampizator 7 and I would not be surprised if the B6 destroyed the 7 in 1 or 2 parameters in a system that excels in 3D performance.

The Sad News:

There has been a lot of talk here on A'gon about the Lampizator USB interface not up to snuff with using an external SPDIF-USB converter like the Empirical Audio OffRamp 5, and especially with its external power supply. After keeping my eyes out for an OR 5 for a couple months, I finally snatched one up. I could not wait to try this out like nothing else on my to-do list. With amazement, like a sad sad puppy, I could not believe what I heard the soundstage was dramatically reduced with the OR5. How can this be with all the "you ain't heard the Lampi until you heard it with the OR5". Well I did and it was disappointment city. I discussed this with another Lampi 6 owner and he had only been using the USB and loved it with the NU VT-99 tube too.

I dug further and asked for advice with an electronics engineer on what might be the issue. Could it be that the new Lampi's have much better USB interfaces? Is the rat's nest wiring of the SPDIF connection to the board compromising the issue? The connection was rewired with a coax cable and updated with the "correct" capacitor. This update along with the OR external power supply resulted in the USB still creating a far more realistic soundstage. The experimentation was stopped with the conclusion that at least this generation of the B6 works at its best with the USB. My overall gut feeling here is that the B6's SPDIF likely has some issues which even the highly acclaimed OR5 could just not bring back to life. Again, perhaps this might only be observed with a system that excels in 3D, I don't know. But once again, like so often on this site, my results are so very different than many of those previously reported.

My previous experience with an older OffRamp converter with the Manley Ref DAC was outstanding results.

I had already requested and received a quote for a custom power supply from Paul Hynes for the OR5 and the Mac Mini. And later I was told it was better to run with two PS's but now I only need to focus on the PS for the Mac Mini.

The "Surprise" News:

During the USB evaluation process, it was discovered that standard 7805 3-terminal voltage regulators are used throughout the B6. I was quite surprised at this as these are hobbyist level devices that really have no business in a state of the art $8k DAC. I can only imagine the massive sonic improvement obtained with discreet circuits replacing all of these. Or imagine even a single highly regulated/filtered 5v PS to replace these would take this unit to the stratosphere. Another option is the drop-in replacement devices from Paul Hynes. A dozen of these devices might end up costing $400 or so, and might push the unit another $1k more, but wow, imagine the possibilities! After all, there is much talk about boutique capacitors in the product. Why should the voltage regulators be compromised? Maybe this would result in the new Lampizator 8 or even 9? 8-)

A Final Note:

For all of those who will cry out that what I am hearing are colorations and distortions, etc., due to the tubes, I have a piano in this room and I can plink keys at any time to hear the harmonics and decays. And the B6 in its current configuration sounds mighty mighty real.

John
jafox

Showing 17 responses by agear

08-22-14: Doak
Jeezziz,,, after reading all this stuff it feels really good to put an LP on the TT, drop the needle and relax. ;-)

Very poetic but unfortunately not completely true. Plenty of hand wringing and tightened sphincters and cumbersome ritual in vinyl land:

http://www.head-fi.org/content/type/61/id/1172077/
08-19-14: Jafox
Well guys as reported before, I just have not experienced dramatic differences in transports over the years.

That's odd since I have. I have been an advocate of bypassing the puter by using a wireless/ethernet-based transport. I have an Aries now and it creams the Mini via USB or via a converter.
Outstanding review John. I think people miss the Lampi magic with the lack of due diligence.
John, I was in the twin cities two weeks ago visiting family. I got to hear two different megabuck systems and it was fun. Next time around, I will have to swing by to hear your rig.

One reason why you are "hearing" so much from the Lampi is your speakers. Panels are truly a see-through apparatus. A lot of folks don't have that privilege. My current speakers from Dale Pitcher possess panel-like attributes, and it showcases the abilities of my new L7 nicely. Thank you again for the detailed review. Keep up the good work....
Jafox, I am fiddling with transports for the 7 and I prefer a Teralink USB converter with a $2 RCA digital cable over a Mac mini via USB. I am looking into either an Aries or possibly the "Source" from Geekwave (aka Light Harmonics). Lucas is also working on a DSDish transport of some sort. Time will tell. The take home message with digital is the transport is as or more important than the dac. It needs just as much tweaking...
08-24-14: Jafox
Ok. A bit of semantics going on here. When I referred "transports", it was about CD spinners. I have not compared systems containing stored files in memory yet. But even so, I seriously doubt that the differences come even close to those I observed with tube differences above.

I just got an Auralic Aries, and it clubbed my Mini. I have not done any tube rolling with the 7 so I cannot speak to its overall impact.
AGear,

I am hearing BIG talk about using an Intel i7 Machine running Windows Server 2012 and then using Audiophile Optimizer to shut down the non-essentials and finally using JRiver/JPlay/Foobar as the playback engine. You can further enhance this by CAPS-ing out the computer, ie board tweaks and LPSUs up the wazooo.

People are saying this makes an unbelievable transport.

No thanks. I am a Mac guy. I was weaned on PCs (AT&T desktop in circa 1980), but left them behind in 2008 and have not looked back. I have read all of Kdavis' verbiage, and a lot of his feedback is through the prism of DSD up sampling, etc so who knows. Its still a noisy computer. I want a dedicated server/transport with no player software and no need for tweaks. I know computers well, have spent far too much time hacking into them and tweaking them, and I have no desire to spend anymore psychic energy on them.
08-21-14: Bmoura
Maybe so.

On the other hand, some companies like exaSound specifically recommend against using JPlay. See their write up at www.exasound

Thanks for the link. This is a quote from the Exasound site. I wonder if this is true?

ASIO provides native DSD support. Alternative implementations like DSD Over PCM (DoP) rely on hiding a DSD bit-stream within PCM data. This workaround requires sending a marker byte every two bytes of DSD data. It causes 33% inefficiency. This is a problem when very high sampling rates like DSD128 and DSD256 are used. The efficiency problem is further compounded for multichannel DSD applications. Think about streaming and processing a marker byte every two bytes of DSD data, 352,800 times every second, and then multiply this workload 8 times. This is what happens when DoP is used for 8-channel DSD256 stream. In addition DoP is sensitive to stream errors. If a marker byte is lost, the DAC has to revert to PCM mode, and with the next detected marker it has to switch back to DSD.
08-26-14: Mrmb
Hi Agear,
I'm interested in the Mac mini Aries comparison. Did your mini have an external linear power supply? How about a SSD? How much RAM did it have?

Its a latest generation but unmodded Mini. I did use it with and without a USB converter. People are offloading their highly modded computers (Jwrace) based on verbiage I have read on Computeraudiophile.

To be clear, I have always had a streamer bias despite being very computer literate. I still need to purchase an audiophile grade USB cable.
08-26-14: Dragon_vibe
Has anyone compared this to the MSB DACS?

I did with the Lampi 4 and found the MSB very transparent and cleaner sounding. I wander if the Big 6 can match or beat the MSB.

A L7 owner has the big MSB stack and prefers the 7. He goes by AlRainbow in Whatsbestforum....
08-26-14: Mrmb
Thanks Agear!
Although I haven't had the opportunity to hear for myself, most concur that a linear power supply does much to enhance the Mac mini. Because I believe the only difference between the base Aries and the upgraded one is a better PS, I was wondering how close a mini similarly configured, would be to the Aries....

Its not necessarily an apples to apples comparison as the Aries has other proprietary components internally including their USB output, clocks, shielding from RFI and EMI, etc. I would rather have an audiophile grade streamer designed from the ground up by a company with an engineering pedigree than a DIY product that you create piecemeal. Again, that's strong bias talking. Also, according to some, the effect of a linear supply on a Mini is partly dependent upon its vintage. I have had one engineer who is in the DAC business who claimed that linear supplies are no better than a switching supply in more recent generation of Minis. That gives me pause. I have also had friends who had Minis and/or PCs modded to the gills who walked away unimpressed and went back to spinning plastic so who the hell knows. The only way is to try an Aries yourself.
It takes much time and effort to assemble a system to achieve a hint of live music's 3D presence and only a matter of minutes to destroy much of what had previously been achieved.

+1. That's everything, and who would think a rectifier change would bring that to the fore. Makes me wonder what other Lampi owners are hearing or not hearing. I recently introduced a new USB cable (Totaldac), and it was like a system upgrade. I have yet to roll tubes but will be doing so soon....
08-30-14: Abruce
Interesting analogy between Lampizators and snowflakes Granny

Ironically, the same thing has been said about TRL. I love both companies BTW. They very much remind me of each other....

One of the former lead engineers from Cary told me that point-point wiring and a more artisanal approach tends to foster "snow flake" production idiosyncrasies and was one reason why they (like so many others who spit stuff out of China) migrated to circuit boards. I for one still like to support manufactures, US or not, who product hand built, artisanal, non-outsourced products.
10-04-14: Sksos1
So tube rolling has been a great exercise and lots of fun now what hasn't surprised me is that ac cords change the sound of this dac to a good degree. I've settled on am ALLBIT Consequence by Audiomica. What has surprised me is USB cables all sound so different and can make or break the sound as well. Again I've settled on Audiomica's Pebble Consequence that is full sounding with controlled bass and just pain musical.

(Dealer disclaimer)

USB cable makes a big difference on my 7. Totaldac USB cable is king....
09-01-14: Grannyring
One day when there is a one box solution and with the ease of a CD player
where I can access and download with no ripping etc...I will do it.

That would be something like the Aries. The only "labor" would be ripping your files (which you have already done). It is a lot less labor intensive than spinning plastic and you end up exploring and listening to a lot more music.

Being a true red blooded phile, I suspect you ditched the Lampi and Offramp cocktail due to SQ deficiencies....
09-02-14: Joecasey
09-02-14: Grannyring
Ha! No, my second set and these are better sounding. Mine look wonderful and I will email you a picture if you like.
I believe you ... best I stop hijacking the thread.

Joecasey doing what Joecasey does best. Audio jihadist. We're just not sure what his particular cause is....:/
I have the same rectifier in my 7, but there is no clear consensus on where to go from the Lampizator crew.