Synergistic Red Fuse ...


I installed a SR RED Quantum fuse in my ARC REF-3 preamp a few days ago, replacing an older high end fuse. Uhh ... for a hundred bucks, this little baby is well worth the cost. There was an immediate improvement upon installation, but now that its broken in (yes, no kidding), its quite remarkable. A tightening of the focus, a more solid image, and most important of all for my tastes, a deeper appreciation for the organic sound of the instruments. Damn! ... cellos sound great! Much improved attack on pianos. More humanistic on vocals. Bowed bass goes down forever. Next move? .... I'm doing the entire system with these fuses. One at a time though just to gauge the improvement in each piece of equipment. The REF-75se comes next. I'll report the results as the progression takes place. Stay tuned ...

Any comments from anyone else who has tried these fuses?
oregonpapa

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Here are some normal fuses pumped with bees wax, but I found that if I saved my ear wax and injected it, it was soooo much better, the difference was night and day, and my ears were cleaned out as a bonus.

I heard the bees wax requires 300+ hours of breakin.   I wonder how many hours for your down under ear wax?   LOL!!!

I have roughly 23 hours on the SR Black fuse which I installed in my ARC Ref 3 preamp. What I'm hearing is voices are very dynamic, they really sound great,  and everything else sounds like dsd on steroids. It's just too smooth right now, the sound has lots its edge, and the bass is not hitting with authority, somewhat disappointed but perhaps in time all will be fine.

needfreestuff ,That's how it sounds in my VAC pre with fuse in wrong direction ... out of phase sound.    Trying flipping fuse direction.   
I find it very interesting that so many of us are getting astounding results from the SR fuses ... and yet, there are the few who get nothing out of them at all. ... Why there are those who cannot hear the improvements is beyond me. A mystery to be sure.

Same reason one hears different degrees of improvement in components with aftermarket fuses where degree can be zero.

In my case, tube amp most sensitive, follow by tube pre and then SS amp = tube DAC.

We non voodooists, all know this fuse stuff is at best, bunch of psychological BS, ...

Let say it is a placebo effect.   Who cares how it works as long as it works.

Thank GOD I'm not as sophisticates as you. georgelofi. Handcuffed the need for technical explanations.  Like I said, it pays to be stupid!


If I had to understand or require an explanation, I won’t be doing much and missing out in my life. I’m a simple person, use my ear to evaluate audio, eye to evaluate video, taste to evaluate food ... Sometimes it pays to be stupid! LOL!
georgelofi1,376 posts04-01-2016 8:20pm

Just to who the voodoo'ist are, for a reference not to believe anything they say in future posts on any topic.

I agree 100% and have my list.   Their position or result is not surprising so why waste server disk space.
nyame36 posts04-02-2016 7:02pmBefore this thread comes to an end I would like to personally thank Oregonpapa for starting probably the most informative, stimulating, and 
 successful posts I have yet seen on these forums. He has provided an economical upgrade path for thousands of audiophiles. But this thread has done something even more important: It has opened up the minds of many.
Thank you very much

The thread can't end until I share results of my 7 SR BLACKS.   Preamp upgrade is done and VAC scheduled to ship next week.  They ran out of signal transformers so was delayed.  After ~100 hours of breaking in, replacing 7 fuses all at once so will be interesting.   

I have success with SR HFTs and later replaced with Audio Magic Bells.   The new UEF Panels look interesting and probably next tweak.  Like I said before, it pays to be stupid and just trust my senses if a tweak works instead of handcuffed by a slide ruler.




DavidPritchard, I agree SR has many new interesting products. I'm ordering some UEF Acoustic Panels.   It also has a 30 days money back guarantee so nothing to lose. 
davidpritchard, I have Audio Magic Bells, replaced HFTs, so don't need UEF acoustic dots and the dealer agreed to a credit.

I have too many moving parts now ... just got preamp back from Vac yesterday, 7 SR Blacks in the bullpen so probably order the UEF acoustic panels in 2 weeks.  
The UEF panels may not synergize as well with the Audio Horizon Bells as the Synergistic Research Dots. I know SR suggests the Panels be used with the Dots and not the HFT's. I look forward to your listening experience. Your situation demonstrates why this forum can be so helpful. You will be trying combinations of products that no one else has tried.
Interesting!  I'll investigate before placing my order next week. Thanks for the heads up.

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wolf_garcia2,475 posts04-19-2016 1:02pmSo to sum up, the clarity, texture, sound staging, coherence, scent, otherworldliness, mojo, mass appeal, appeal to those in MA (where I live), bass profundity, basso gonzo delecto, air around instruments, air around your socks, heir apparent, apparent hair loss, and ear wax viscosity can be improved with SRs "fabulous half inch" of zapped wire irrespective of where the electrons came from or where they go after the fuse holder lets go of 'em. And if none of this happens, the fuse could be  backwards or not burned in. If any of this is true, I am absolutely not worthy of such wonderfulness and shall remain unrefused until my sense of self worth deems me ready to deal with this avalanche of sonic boost as, currently, I just don't think I could take it.

With your Adcom 515 line conditioner,  you got nothing to worry about brother, everything sounds the same.   Bose, Soulution ... just sit back and enjoy the noise.
One great example is "Belafonte at Carniegie Hall" recorded live in 1959

I have the 96/24 download and is phenominal.   One of the best recordings. 
I have ~25 hours on my 7 SR Blacks and it sounds very good. The sound opened up ~5 hours and never analytical.   Most noticeable difference between SR Red is more organic, musical and less hifi-ish.   Probably due to UEF patch on the fuse?
jafant2,946 posts04-26-2016 2:05pmDoes SR junk-source their production to china?

If not, hope so to lower the prices.
tzh21y640 posts05-04-2016 9:56amYes, I added the days oregonpapa had them in his system until he was really startingbto enjoy them.  Looks like almost 200 hours actually.
I've been rolling fuses since HiFi-Tuning Gold and SQ is usually very good after 10 hours.    If it doesn't sound good after ~25 hours, change direction.   Still no good, either don't like the changes or fuse identify a flaw in the system.   

jetter104 posts05-04-2016 11:16amI believe knghifi has pinpointed a philosophical difference above that has lead to much of the discussions, back in forth, about the use of the fuses.

"Still no good, either don't like the changes or fuse identify a flaw in the system."

This implies that not liking the sound change a fuse imparts, or not hearing a change in the system, is because something is "wrong" with the system.  

On the other hand, others might think that if your system needs a new fuse, any fuse, any price, to make it sound better, then that system is not sounding right to start with.

Wrong in all counts!!!  ... and reason stuck in a circular argument.

How does not liking the changes implies something is "wrong" with the system?   If you replace high power SS with low power SET amp to drive Apogee Full Range.  Is it something wrong with the system or don't like the change?

Also why can't a system sound right to start with and one just want to improve it?  
Speaking of cheese, had a nice 6 eggs omelette with Boars Head Munster cheese and Trader Joe’s Black Forest uncured bacon for breakfast this morning.

I’m not armed with a culinary degree so did I got ripped off, all cheese taste the same??   How about wine?   Should I buy some Trader Joe's Two Buck Chuck?   
Kingfi, before you consider buying you should check out this article on
Two Buck Chuck. I've always been told one of the urban myths about it but it turns out to be something else entirely.

All the best,
Nonoise

Actually I enjoyed Two Buck Chuck for ~4 years before the quality deteriorated.   I get sh_t from everyone but like audio, I just trust my sense of taste.   Well, some friends call it sense of NO taste. :-):-)


Members have to realize this is the WWW. Only insight to fellow members systems are experiences on the same components. To me, it's perfectly understandable why the trolls can't hear a difference so no point wasting time in a debate.
OK I'll be more explicit, maybe cotton ear, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig!
With that said, Its not a good idea to discuss politics on a site like this. Just way too much of a chance for conflict resulting in ruined friendships.
I can pretty much tell which side one is leaning politically by contents of their posts.  Common sense Yes or No ...  :-)

Anyone know what size fuse is in a ARC REF 5 preamp?
5 amp 1 1/4" (large) slo-blow. 
I’m using a SR Black large15A slo-blo in my Hegel H30 and never had a failure. Since SR doesn’t offer a large 7A slo-blo, using 6.3A SR Black in ARC Ref250SE and zero failures. According to the spec, each mono can draw up to 10A instantaneously.

I’ve replaced all SR Reds with Blacks and cycled through Hifi-Tuning, Isoclean, Audio Magic ... and never had a failure.

I had generic fuse failures with several boutique components. Every time the manufacturer suggests using a larger size so I’m always suspicious of their specifications, tolerance and design.

PM me if anyone interested in SR RED large slo-blo 15A and 6.3A (2 available). Also Isoclean large 7A slo-blo (2 available) :-):-)
I would not recommend your doing this. I didn't do this and had no problem. You might damage your component which might cost you much more.
+1.   Actually I replaced stock large slo-blo 7A with a SR RED/Black 6.3A in my ARC REF250 without issues.

I find specifications from boutique companies lack precision so sometimes replacing with higher value is fine ... treat each component individually.
Charles, I don’t know why many builders don’t use film caps in the power supply? Why they don’t use better internal wiring? Why they use such long signal paths? Why they don’t use breakers? Why many builders think one part sounds the same as another as long as both are in spec and think boutique capacitors/resistors and the like are snake oil? Why do we still use conventional binding posts instead of clamps that clamp the output wires to the speaker cable? Many more audio questions I wonder about in terms of tube gear design.
If my memory serves me right and we had a LONG debate, Atmasphere states 95% of his amp and preamp designs are based on specs. Any builder voices their design is incompetent. So I guess cap, wire ... with the same spec will work so probably reason inferior parts are used?

@oregonpapa 
To everyone posting here:

Do any of you like coffee? I do. I love really great coffee. Its the only coffee I'll drink.
I love coffee. I buy most of the coffee from Trader Joe's and settled on French Roast and Italian. I use a burr grinder and French press ... I guess next step is roasting my own coffee ...  I'll let you know how it goes :-):-)  

BTW, the circuit breakers Paul Weitzel uses are all mil-spec.  I still have several in my basement.   Paul said never seen one failed.  


Shadorne
  No I am not kidding. I do not want equipment that magnifies minute variations in the power supplied to the amplifier power supply which is supposed to filter and protect amplifier circuits from power variations. Why would I want to hear differences in fuses or the small effects of my neighbour down the street when they turn on an appliance and the small effect it has on the power my home receives. It makes no sense to build audio gear that magnifies such things - if you hear such things then either the equipment is faulty or the design of the power supply is atrocious.
Good point!  I'm replacing my ARC REF250SE, VAC SigMKIIa SE ... with Jolida, Adcom and the best preamp ever, Lightspeed Attenuator. No need for fancy fuses, after market cables ...  everything sounds the same.
By the way, if any of you are Mel Torme' fans, I listened to this CD all the way through tonight. Its Torme' in his prime and a really, really good recording:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Swingin-On-the-Moon-Verve-Mel-Torme-Torme-Mel-Good-/332150919452?hash=item4d...

Torme's is truly one of the great American song stylists. Its worth the entry fee to get to know his music.
Just ordered.  My 1st Torme CD.  :-)  Trying to discover artists before my time.

@oregonpapa Do you have any Dean Martin recommendations?  
For those considering replacing a stock fuse with an inexpensive new fuse, I suggest purchasing either a Littelfuse or an Eaton/Cooper Bussmann fuse. A good source is industrial distributor Digikey, which has no minimum order requirement or handling fee:

http://www.digikey.com/products/en/circuit-protection/fuses/139

They do cost more than $0.10, though. More like a dollar to two :-)

Regards,
-- Al
Why not just go for $0.10 if it doesn't make a difference?

Oregonpapa- I agree with your politics. But I also agree it’s nice keeping this forum politics free. I’m a bit like you, though: all my interests are intertwined.. so I know what it’s like to want to fold political thoughts into audio conversations. Or audio concepts into a yoga class. It’s work keeping everything separated for everyone!
I agree everything in life is intertwined.   I don't have an issue analogies are used to make a point whether it's politics, sports, food ...  IMO, it open minds and excellent way to gain knowledge.
So it's ok to discuss sports on an audio site but NOT politics?   I guess who CRIES the loudest decides what to censor??
Yep, if you don’t see a difference, can’t help you.  Above my pay grade.
I see NO difference.   The problem is you see a difference!

I have NO interest in ACC sports, tired of pools, March madness ... if you want to discuss sports, please go to another site.   Don't you understand audio exists in vacuum?  Thank you!
However Jond is right in the sense that sports is far more lighthearted and trivial with little impact on our lives. Political issues profoundly impact our very existence.
charles1dad, it's a matter of ones perspective.  

I grew up in New England and very passionate with sports.  I played all 4 sports depending on the season.   We felt the pain when our local team loses.   I still can't get over Patriot lost in 2007.

When I was living in SoCal, it was totally different.  I never forgot the time I was moping over a lost and one of my colleague said to me, it's just a game!    What???

This is an open forum so if one chooses to participate, accept the fact there will be subjects or discussions you disagreed or not interested it so just ignore it.   No one should decide what's appropriate to discuss in an open forum.
charles1dad, The problem is the "me" mentality.  Everything is about me me me.  If I don't like something, can't just ignore it but "respectively" ask to stop even though, a possibility majority of members have no issues with it.   This OPEN forum is my "safe house", my escape from life and reality.   I get to choose what subjects to discuss.

Like I said before, Agon is a just reflection of society and I'm sick of these intolerable &%*#!
I don’t see the college campus intolerance analogy here. Otherwise there would have been appeals to the moderator to ban posters with contrary views. There’s no censorship here just opposing viewpoints freely expressed with the typical back and forth banter.
No crying to the moderator that I'm aware of but just request to refrain from commentary on specific subjects.

For the record, I'm NOT advocating adding a political section.
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but WORDS in Open Forum will never hurt me!
A retail dealer informed me that VAC audio only uses high quality ceramic fuses and does not recommend ordinary glass Bussman or Littlefuses.  Sure it's not black SR fuses, but VAC wants to make a profit and finds better quality, lower cost ceramic fuses are minimally adequate to protect their gear and sound good.  VAC amps are high end in build quality and sound quality.
Stock fuse in my VAC SigMKIIa SE is glass.  I've spoken to Kevin rolling fuses, he encourages me to experiment and report my results to him.