Suspension vs. non-suspension turntables???


Greetings all...

I am soon going to start the search for a new turntable. My trusty Roksan Xerxes is entering it's 15th year of operation and I think it's about time to look for something new. Having said that, I am looking for opinions on suspended tables, and non-suspended tables in the hopes of learning something about the advantages and disadvantages of each.

Surely both types have their merits, and I am trying to get a grip on which type might be most right for me. I am not necessarily looking for specific turntable recommendations at this point; let's face it we all know the usual suspects - Basis, VPI, Clearaudio, SME, Oracle, Teres, etc. I just am looking to find out if there is an advantage to either type of table.

Thanks in advance...
esoxhntr

Showing 4 responses by dougdeacon

David,
It would have come out much sooner, but I can't see the T, E, R and S keys as easily anymore.

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The ink's worn off them!

Gotta run, we're drilling our armboard and mounting the new Triplanar tonight. Yummy!
Esoxhntr,
As you said, there's not much point mounting to wood studs when you have bedrock available. I'd plan on getting a good stand, but I wouldn't decide until I was sure what table was going on it. Different tables like different stands.

Dan can probably tell you what a Basis prefers.

A Teres/Redpoint/Galibier prefers a big hunk o' mass, bolt it to that floor if you can.

A Spacedeck like 4yanx's prefers... like... um... levitation? It's a California thing!!!!!!!!!
Both types have their adherents, obviously, and there've been some interesting threads on the topic before. Search the archives and you'll find them.

When I chose my TT I was also unable to audition. I chose by following this (admittedly deductive) "logic":

- making a good suspension is both difficult and expensive (I had an inexpensive, suspended deck as a negative example)

- assume a price point (let's say < $10K)

- consider a table of each type at that price point

- the maker of the suspended table must dedicate a significant portion of his costs to designing, engineering, sourcing and building the suspension

- the maker of the non-suspended table dedicates virtually none of his costs to the suspension (just three cones or whatever)

- therefore, the maker of the non-suspended table has more resources available to optimize other critical elements like the bearing, motor, plinth and platter design and materials, etc.

Therefore, this hypothetical non-suspended table "should" outperform its similarly priced hypothetical rival, and will certainly be easier to set up and forget.

It seems likely that a non-suspended table should be more dynamic. The less the table moves laterally in response to energy from groove transients, the more of that energy will be transmitted to the cartridge generators. OTOH, a good suspension should isolate the stylus/groove interface from structure-borne and motor vibrations better. This would yield blacker backgrounds and a lower level of detail retrieval. Nonsuspended tables rely on higher mass and a mix of materials to meet this goal.

This is all I had to go on when I made my decision. I'm happy with the results on my Teres, but so are most Basis owners!
Dan,
Good point about the floors, though I suppose a trampoline would challenge any table. I have a fairly springy wood floor. My old (cheap) suspended table on a tallish wood cabinet would skip if you just walked across the room. My Teres on a Salamander Synergy Triple 20 wouldn't skip if you dribbled a bowling ball next to it. Of course the Salamander + gear weighs nearly 400 pounds and it's supported on eight heavy-duty sorbothane hemispheres. I guess I have a suspended, non-suspended table. IOW, alot of it has to do with execution.

It sounds like we should trade tables for a month, just for fun. (You can keep the cows.)