Surround processor with stereo analog outputs


My current system:

Wharfedale PI-10 powered by an Acurus A250
Custom Subs (2) powered by a second Acurus A250
Center and Rear speakers (Wharfedale) powered by an Acurus A200x3
Processor = Acurus ACT-3 (which has stereo sub outputs)

I bought the ACT-3 used and it�s starting to develop issues when using DTS and it�s also a little on the harsh side sonically. I�d like to upgrade but I�m having a hard time locating a good Surround Processor with stereo analog sub outputs. This is my main music system as well as the Home Theater system and I can live with mono subs for Home Theater but not for music listening. I know; �low frequency sounds aren�t directional and stereo subs aren�t necessary� (I�ve been hearing that for 2 decades) but I disagree. I�d also like something with a built-in crossover as the active crossovers I use for my subs aren�t the greatest. It looks like the Meridian 568 has the capability to utilize 3 separate channels for the subs and would hopefully be an improvement sonically. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
ctmorsejr
Thanks for all of the input.

Martykl: That's the issue I'm running into, not being able to find information as to whether the sub output is summed when in stereo or bypass mode (most manufacturers make no reference to it in their documentation). At the moment I’m using primarily digital sources but I have a wonderful Kuzma turntable tone arm combo that will be put back into service soon. I have about an $800 budget at the moment and would much rather go with a higher quality used, vintage pre-amp/processor with higher sound quality than a newer unit with potentially more processing power.

Kr4: That’s exactly what I’ve found doing my research but the McIntosh units I’m finding are out of my current price range, even used.

Jdodmead: Thanks, I’ll take a look at Arcam’s products and see what I can find out.

Willand: I have not heard any other amp that will belt out really low end bass through a good sub with the authority that an A250 does. I worked in an audio specialty store in Norhtern NY in the 1990s – early 2000s and we specialized in finding affordable equipment that had the “most bang for the buck” as the owner put it. I never got to audition any really high end equipment (in the $5K+ range) but the sales reps would bring new equipment from a wide range of manufacturers all of the time and I did get to experience a large variety of different equipment. I listened to maybe as many as 100 different amps over the decade I worked there and nothing came close to the A250 for 20Hz – 30Hz bone rattling bass. We designed custom speaker kits and after hearing 100s of custom made and name brand speakers I came to the realization that 2-way satellites paired with good subs was what worked for me. But after years of auditioning equipment and helping to fine tune speaker systems I fell into the awful trap of not being able to listen to the music any more. All I could hear was the sonic weaknesses in the equipment. That paired with the terrible, nasally glare that emanated from the CD systems of the 90s made it impossible for me to enjoy listening to much of anything other than my vinyl collection (5000+ LPs) and after my daughter was born there was no room for even that (physical room that is).

But after a decade away from it I am finally finding that I’m able to listen to music again and with my shiny new 50” 3D plasma TV and the acquisition of a used ACT-3 and A200x3 I jumped into Home Theater. But space limitations necessitate that my HT and music system be one and the same which is what brought me to Audiogon and the forums looking for advice from other audio/HT enthusiasts.

We started selling Paradigm speakers right at the end of my tenure at The Sound Room and they made some decent sounding speakers. I have not had any experience with the X-30 xover but I will look into it, thanks.
Kal,

I looked online and it appears to support 2 subs in stereo, is this correct? How much would you want for it?

Thanks, Carl
Ctmorsejr, keep in mind that it is by no means a given that the results you will get with and active cross-over and stereo subs is going to be superior than mono subs, using bass management.

I have Avalon Eidolon visions and 2 x JL 113, and was thinking exactly like you. So I got myself a Trinnov 4 channel room correction + bass management + cross-over processor unit, probably the most sophisticated (professional) box on the market for this application.

I then created a preset with active cross-over, integrated subs with mains, effectively creating a 4 way fully discrete 2.0 system, with the subs now part of the FL/FR channels. I also created a preset with 2 mono subs using bass management (cross-over a 90Hz). Much to my surprises, the bass managed configuration sounds better (to me). The reason is in room bass response is extremely unpredictable, and it may just be the case mono subs result in better cancellation of room modes.