Supratek or Don Sachs - which way to go?


I'm preparing to replace my SS preamp with a tube unit and have read with great interest many threads on this board. This is where I learned about Don Sachs model 2 preamps. They sound like what I'm looking for and those who own them consistently express their satisfaction with them.

Now I've just been reading and learning about the Supratek lineup. Wow. These also sound like fantastic works of art. Leaving me with a new question about which way to go. 

Thoughts? Advice? Experience? Anyone care to share?
128x128markusthenaimnut

Showing 18 responses by markusthenaimnut

Regarding the question of the shoot-out - sorry, I hadn't noticed the question until this evening. Everything has been all shut down to hell, hasn't it, with this Covid stuff. Including the shootout. 

I'll follow up with the fellow who has the Sachs and see if we can't schedule something when the lockdown is lifted. He was travelling a lot last year. Maybe this year will be different.

Here's what I can say, after owning the Supratek for nearly a year. I think either one is going to provide superb satisfaction. I went with the Supratek partly because I wanted the preamp to include a phono stage. I think Don Sachs sells his phono stage as a standalone. The Supratek includes one. I went with the Cortese model because I wanted the LCR phono stage. 

Below ~$3000 I think the two preamps are probably pretty close. Owners of either one have a strange tendency to fall in love with whichever one they have. And become fanatical cheerleaders for their brand. Can that be a bad thing? I think you'd love either one. 

Best regards and good luck with your journey. Let us know what you decide.

Oh, one other thing. I don't know that the Supratek has "bloom". To me it just sounds like the glass has been taken out of the window between me and the music. It seems, on the one hand, completely accurate and neutral and, on the other hand, incredibly rich and beautiful with saturated tonal colors and nuance.

I love equipment that is made by hard-core fanatics.

The question above about how or why I narrowed my search down to these two is worth thinking about. To explain, I need to share a little history.

A friend had bought a Prima Luna integrated to go with his quad 2805s. So initially I was looking at one of the Prima Luna preamps. Through researching and corresponding with others on various boards I came to think the 6SN7 was the tube I wanted as the centerpiece of whatever I bought. 

I'm grateful for the recommendations posted by others on this thread, and I'll continue to read about those preamps. But in summary, everything I've read about the two preamps I mentioned above suggests that they are headed in the direction I want to go. But I'm still very much a novice, and am eager and ready to learn more.
Hi everyone - 
Remember me? I'm the OP. I REALLY APPRECIATE everyone's comments on this thread. I am still learning and appreciate the discussion here. 
Frankly, I'm still on the fence about which of the two preamps I'm going to pull the trigger on. Mick's lifetime warranty is really cool and is a testament to his faith in his products. Having said that, living in the PNW in the US, Don Sachs is practically local, so shipping (should it be required) would obviously be a simpler affair.
I retired last Friday. This preamp is going to be a (notionally) final upgrade for my system. I think either one will be a wonderful change to my system. 
Thanks again - I'll post the results of my decision on this thread and my impressions of the new equipment when I get a chance. Still awaiting a final thumbs-up from SWMBO.
Markus
quick update,
i'm starting my second week with my new Supratek Cortese with LCR phono stage in my system. i am working on a writeup, but wanted to provide this quick note. this preamp has exceeded all my expectations. i consider myself very blessed and very fortunate indeed. 
Hi all,
Sorry if this runs a little long, but I recently took delivery of my new Supratek Cortese preamp with LCR phono stage. The purpose of this post is to share my decision making process and experience in the hope that it will help others “find their way” through what was, for me, a somewhat daunting process. Overall, I have learned a lot and my perspective on audio and hi-fi has changed.

I used a Naim NAC 82 with a hicap power supply for about 15 years. The 82 replaced a Naim 72 that I’d had in my system for well over 10 years. I always enjoyed my system when using the Naim preamps but knew there was better equipment out there. As I prepared for retirement I started researching tube preamps. I read a lot on various forums, asked many dumb questions (still lots of those left to go) and decided to seek out a preamp based around the 6SN7 tube; while there are discussions about which 6SN7 is the best, for the most part it seems this tube is almost universally well regarded for audio applications. Correspondingly, my search eventually boiled down either to a Don Sachs Model 2 or a Supratek.

I had actually decided to purchase a Don Sachs unit before learning about Supratek but got hung up in the wife/budget approval process, so continued to research. The two companies/builders have much in common. Both are run by highly respected builders and are (as far as I understand) one man operations. Many of those who own pieces from either one of these builders describe the experience of listening to the equipment in glowing terms; many owners of each brand share that they came to it after ownership of products from many other highly regarded brands, such as Conrad Johnson and Audio Research. The reviews and comments on the internet seem to come from dedicated, long-term audiophile owners who swear by the product and state that their preamp is never leaving their system.

One of the main reasons I decided to go with the Supratek was that it included an on-board phono stage. I figured this would allow me to get rid of my Linn Linto phono stage. I also needed (or wanted) five inputs. I’ve owned the Linto for over 10 years and it has sounded excellent. I haven’t had the time or motivation to do a hard-core side-by-side comparison of the Linto with the Supratek LCR phono stage yet, but I think the Supratek sounds a lot better. I just hear a lot more information coming off the records. I suppose that’s a preliminary opinion. BTW, my Linto is a 25th anniversary model, so it’s getting a bit old, and I had to have it serviced last year. Linn no longer supports the product but the Seattle authorized Linn technician took it on and performed a service, replacing all faulty parts with more highly spec’d components.

I know I’m rambling here but please bear with me. I’ve started to write this review several times before and those earlier versions have somehow vanished into thin air on the internet.

Mick was an absolute gem to work with. The preamp is beautiful to look at. It comes across as a truly unique, bespoke product. It is not a standard “closed box” preamp, though if you are considering either a Don Sachs or Supratek product you’re probably most interested in the sound, reliability and value.

The sound: The first piece I played through the system was Shawn Colvin’s excellent 1994 release “Cover Girl”. I’ve listened to this cd countless times. Previously I thought I understood the lyrics. I now know I was wrong, because now I can clearly and easily hear them and know that previously my mind had been “filling in the blanks” to make sense of what it was hearing. I could go on and on about this cd but I’ll turn my attention to the second cd I played over they system – Pieces of Africa, by the Kronos Quartet. This is a wonderful 1992 release and the biggest difference through the Supratek was the incredible sense of cohesion of the quartet. Yes, the soundstage was huge, and each player clearly occupied a location within that soundstage. But this was merely a bonus, because the biggest delight was in understanding how the ensemble members were interacting and influencing each other. Amazing and wonderful to hear.

Next up was the 2017 Rhino Records “Summer of Love” reissue of Van Morrison’s Astral Weeks album. Holy smokes. Now I can understand why hardcore fans and collectors love this album and pay big money for original pressings. I have no basis for comparing the Rhino pressing to any others, but I will say that the recording is very good to my ears and the pressing seemed to leave nothing out.

If you haven’t heard it yet, I encourage you to seek out the soundtrack to the movie “The Old Man and the Gun”. The press seemed to make a big deal out of the fact that this is apparently Robert Redford’s last movie. But the soundtrack is a hidden gem, a small group jazz release that is beautifully written, performed and recorded. The sound via the Supratek was nothing less than superlative.

Update, about four weeks in –
The preamp has continued to get better, more opened up, so to speak. The audio writer, Harvey Rosenberg, coined a word – “whole-osity” to try to capture the way superlative audio equipment conveys music. When discussing the work of Nobu Shishido he said that his artistic intent was “to take us to a musical territory that is so refined that there is no conventional language that can describe it....this is the job of the audio artisan...to inspire us to explore the ineffable”. When I incorporated the Supratek Cortese into my system I felt that I was having the same kind of experience.

The phono stage is amazing. Yes, I know my LP12 with Ittok is not really considered “high end” nowadays. There are numerous tables out there which are more highly regarded. In spite of the limitations of the Linn, the LCR phono stage extracts every ounce of music from the signal and conveys it so that the performer’s artistic intent is clearly conveyed. Detail, musical nuance, artistic choices, cohesion, the unity of an ensemble and so forth are beautifully conveyed. The line stage is similarly accomplished. Many musical pieces I previously thought simply boring or annoying have been transformed into something that holds my interest. While the accuracy and “hear-through” nature of the preamp enables the listener to “hear the hand” of the producer and recording engineer it doesn’t detract from the artistry of the performer.

I’m not someone who switches equipment into and out of my system very often. I’ve owned my humble LP12 for nearly 30 years, my ESL63 speakers for five, my Naim CD 3.5 for more fifteen, and so on. I’ve seldom purchased new. Every piece of equipment I’ve owned has provided great long-term satisfaction. The Supratek is exceeding every prior experience and every expectation I had. I can’t envision any situation in which I’d replace it. It’s very good.

One more comment - 
For the first time in a very long time, my wife has started to join me for listening sessions. And she stays for a long time, and we cuddle. Talk about a bonus!
So far I haven't noticed the power supply warming anything up. However, my new listening room is about 16 x 24 and I sit about 15 feet away from the shelving where the Cortese and other equipment are located.
The volume control is super smooth and solid. It can be controlled from the remote. The "channel" buttons change the volume in smaller steps. The "volume" buttons are "normal", whatever that means.
Audio123 -
Thanks for the heads-up on the Audio Mirror Tubador. I'm going to have to look into that.
Please post on the new "Supratek Owners Thread".
Thanks,
Markus
Yes, I can confirm that Mick is on vacation. He should be back in the next few days.

BTW, there was some interest expressed over on the "preamp deal of the century" thread in a Supratek owners thread. I do plan to create one soon. It will be a place for us to discuss our systems, tweaks, equipment and so forth.

BTW, I do expect to be able to compare a Don Sachs model 2 to my Cortese some time in August. Another individual on this forum owns the Don Sachs unit and lives not too far away. So, that should be fun!
I think he (Mick) does a good job describing the evolution of the Cortese on his blog.  Link is available via the Supratek website. 
 Hey,  audio123, 
Please refresh my memory about what amp and speakers you are driving? Also, your digital side.  I know you went with the Tubador DAC. Did you consider the MHDT Orchid?
Sounds awesome.I will mention the biggest change in my system recently - a Yeti 1400 lithium-ion battery generator. It generates a perfect 60 hz sine wave and lowers the noise floor (I never knew I had a noise floor before). It has taken my system to the next level. I hope you can track one down just to try it. I have my preamp, power amp and Quad 2805s plugged into it.
Thanks for continuing to keep the Flame Alive and sharing all the info on your system config.
Regarding the yeti 1400, no you don't need a solar panel to recharge it. That's simply an optional element of the power system that you can buy. It charges from the wall socket. And price-wise it should be somewhere around 16 or 17 hundred. 1600 would be a good deal. I think list is around 2,000. REI sells them for people who want to go camping and solar panels are handy that way. But the yeti is a good thing to have in case of a power outage. Because it can charge your cell phone or your keep your refrigerator running.
Not yet.  We've had trouble getting our schedules to line up. Still want to do it. 
My Cortese doesn't have the two shiny domes. It has compact, comparatively low profile heat sinks. I don't know why some preamps have the domes and some don't. I am guessing that it might have been an aesthetic choice Mick made some time in the past and the original purpose was to improve the looks of the heat sinks. But I'm only guessing.