Supper's Ready


Okay. Here we go. Just finished a head to head comparison of Supper's Ready from the original Gabriel vinyl version on Foxtrot vs Collin's vinyl version on Seconds Out. First, both are amazing. Collin's version wins the live performance aspect obviously. Gabriel's version just has that raw, young person's angst to it. It really can't be redone. I tried to make the Collin's version compare and it just ain't there. Granted, if you never heard the Gabriel version you would think the Collin's version was the cat's pajamas. My 2 inane cents. 

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The original album version for me, although the live Seconds Out version was pretty damn good.

IMO, Genesis lost more, musically speaking, when they lost Steve Hackett, than when they lost Gabriel.

Trick of the Tail and Wind and Wuthering, are just a small drop off in musical quality from their best. But all the albums after Hackett left, were a huge drop in quality. Most are a joke, IMO.

Hackett’s first 4 solo albums are better than any Genesis album without him.

@larsman 

'9 Parts to the Wind' by a band called Strange Days,

 

Yes, a very good album loosely in the early Genesis style.

There are plenty of bands that have used Genesis as their main reference point.

IQ is a band that got their start in the mid 80's, and have been producing strong recordings since, including "Resistance" from 2019.

The Watch from Italy, has some nice Genesis inspired recordings.

There has been so much great progressive music since the early/mid 90's, it's been hard to keep up. I guess that is what is known as a 'first world problem'. So many great bands from all over the world.

Anglagard from Sweden

Deus Ex Machina from Italy

Echolyn from the US

Corima from the US

Aranis from Belgium

Setna from France

The list is way too long for this forum.

@larsman 

Yes, I know "Strange Days".

Back in the mid to late 70's in LA, there was a 2 hour radio show on Sunday nights, on one of the major rock stations.

It was called, "Over There", and they specialized in prog from all over the world, It was a sponsored by a record store with several branches, called Moby Disc. They, of course, specialized in music, mostly prog, from all over the world.

That is where a friend and I found out about "Strange Days", as well as so much more, obscure bands from many countries, besides the UK.

As I previously mentioned, prog had a huge revival starting in the early mid 90’s.

Bands in the 80’s, Marillion, IQ, Twelfth Night, Pendragon, and all the "neo prog" bands, were good. But to me, they were kind of watered down. They tended to have the surface veneer of prog, but the deeper structure of the music, was just not as complex, creative, lacked the musical theory as most of the 70’s bands, and overall, the musicianship was not at the same high level of the 70’s bands.

Something happened in the 90’s, up through the present, where many of the new prog bands, were much more like those of the 70’s, not in that they were all retro-prog, but the level of musicianship, complexity, music theory, etc reached the same levels of the 70’s bands.

I can recommend many new prog bands, but my tastes are not always in the symphonic style (Genesis, YES, King Crimson, etc). I like a lot of avant-prog and Zeuhl prog, so, YMMV.

Bands like:

Anglagrad (Sweden) / complex, symphonic prog, with king Crimson, Genesis, Schicke, Fuhrs and Froeling influences.

Deus ex Machina (Italy) / jaw dropping musicianship, intense prog, that sometimes straddles the line between prog and fusion. Lead vocalist has a 5 octave range.

Tipographica (Japan) / avant-prog in the Henry Cow vein

Höyry-Kone (Finland) / more avant-prog, with some Crimson influences

Aranis (Belgium) / more avant-prog, with incredible musicianship. Not quite as thorny sounding as some avant-prog bands

Echolyn (USA) / great US band. Early on, they has some Gentle Giant influences in their complex vocal parts and constant time changes. Lately, they are a bit more song oriented

Miriodor (Canada) / kind of a mix of Canterbury scene prog, and avant-prog.

Koenji Hyakkei (Japan) / Magma influenced Zeuhl prog.

Corima (USA) / more Magma influenced prog

D.F.A. (Italy) / great band that sort of straddles the line between prog and fusion

Forgas Band Phenomena (France) / another prog / fusion line straddler

Mike Keneally and Beer for Dolphins / complex, quirky prog with Zappa influences

5UU’s (USA) / avant-prog

Isuldar’s Bane (Sweden) / really good, complex, symphonic. They have a couple recent albums, one with Steve Hogarth from Marillion on vocals, and one with Peter Hammill on vocals.

After Crying (Hungary) / started out being a chamber-prog band, later became more symphonic, with some ELP influences. Really good band. They did a great live album with John Wetton on vocals.

Finisterre (Italy) / very good, classical sounding Italian prog

Transatlantic (International members) - really good, classic sounding prog.

Other bands of various subgenres of prog: Univers Zero (Belgium), Setna (France), Riverside (Poland), Discus (Indonesia), All Traps on Earth (Sweden), Manna/Mirage (USA), I could go one for pages.

Once again, some of these bands will not be in the; washes of Mellotron, Hackett like guitar playing, Hammond organ, Squire bass playing type of prog. They will be a bit more 'thorny' sounding, with use of atonality and dissonance, and very complex arrangements. Some might even say, they may take a bit of work to get into (it did me), but the rewards are high.

 

 

@shredsled 

I've seen Musical Box every time they've been to LA.

I saw Genesis do the Lamb at the Shrine Auditorium back in 1975, and the Musical Box performance was a pretty good reproduction. So were their other shows of other albums.

My problem is every time I see a cover band, no matter how good they are, I can't help thinking about all the great, modern, original prog bands (in all prog subgenres), playing new, original music, that I'd rather see.