Super-sensitive volume controls - remedy?


I'm getting real tired of preamps with a volume control that does everything from a faint whisper to way too loud all in the 8:00 to 10:00 position on the dial. My old Rotel RC-995 was like that, and now my new Parasound 2100; both with remote volume that becomes useless with that level of sensitivity. Of course, I noticed a big change when I switched from Maggie MG12's to Tekton Lore Reference, even with my old Luxman CX-100.

My question is not about searching for preamps that don't do that, but whether there is a transparent method of attenuation, either externally or internally, that would allow a more gradual and precise volume adjustment.
minkwelder

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11-23-14: Jafox
I tried these several years ago and they literally destroyed the 3D performance and less so, the dynamics. Horrible horrible horrible solution to reduce the gain.
John, I know that you are a particularly experienced and knowledgeable audiophile, and I always consider your comments to be among the most reliable to be found here, but nevertheless I must ask: Did you physically insert the attenuators into the input jacks of a component, or into the output jacks of a component? If the latter, as I indicated in my earlier post it would easily explain the poor results you obtained. At least, that is, if they were the Rothwells; I'm not familiar with the designs of the others that have been mentioned.

Best regards,
-- Al
11-23-14: Minkwelder
I have read some very negative things about the attenuators, but others seemed very enthusiastic about them, which leads me to be very cautious about going that route.
Seconding George's comment about impedance compatibility, I suspect that a significant contributor to the divergent opinions about in-line passive attenuators is the differing impedances of the components people use with them.

Based on measurements I once made of the Rothwell 10 db attenuators (which I used successfully, btw), the measurement having been performed with a not particularly accurate analog multimeter, they consist of a series resistor of roughly 22K, and a shunt resistor at their output of roughly 11K. Which together with a power amp input impedance of say 50K would amount to a load seen by the preamp of about 31K, or roughly 28K to 30K in the case of most power amps having significantly lower input impedances. Those values will be no problem for most preamps to drive, but might verge on causing perceptible sonic issues with some, especially some tube preamps.

Also, those values would result in the power amp seeing a source impedance (the impedance it sees looking back toward the preamp) in the rough vicinity of 7K. Conceivably that could sometimes have audibly significant consequences, especially in the case of solid state power amps having relatively low input impedances, and especially if that input impedance is not constant across the audible spectrum and beyond.

This assumes that the attenuator is placed at the input of a power amp. Similar considerations apply if it is placed at the input of the preamp, except that it would be the input impedance of the preamp and the output impedance of the source component that are relevant.

So I would say that in general the in-line attenuators stand the greatest chance of producing good results when used at the input of a tube-based component that is driven by a solid state component. And in general they can probably be expected to have the worst chance of producing good results when used at the input of a solid-state component that is driven by a tube-based component. Of course, there will always be exceptions.

Finally, I would not totally rule out the possibility that a few of the reports of really negative experiences with these devices may have been the result of installing them in the wrong place or in the wrong direction. They should always be inserted directly into the input jacks of the destination component, with no intervening cable. Inserting them into the output jacks of the component supplying the signal, for example, would generally result in a sonic disaster (although it would not cause any damage).

Regards,
-- Al