I have read some of the comments and beliefs on this topic. I only know what I hear. I have auditioned the new Sunfire Amps and they don't sound that much different than the amps Bob Carver built for the Carver Corp. . The only difference is the cosmetics and the price. I used to be able to afford his products , but now they are out of my price range. I have been a Carver fan and consumer for about 10 years, and all of my equipment is Carver,right down to the Carver Silver Series speakers. For the money that I spent, I haven't heard a better system yet. Bob Carver is a legitimate force to be reckoned with in the audio world, and he is not only a genius of audio technology but of maketing as well. In this day and age of competition between the Audio giants, Bob has carved out a small piece of the audio pie with a cult following that I am proud to be a part of .